[AusNOG] Telstra and Vocus Peering

[John Edwards]

When IP networks were expensive and a premium product, demanding peering in
Hobart and Darwin probably looked like good strategy for maintaining
exclusivity

Fast forward to 2018 where there is federal government funded RBBP fibre to
Darwin, and new Bass Strait energy projects being proposed that will
include fibre - this now looks like Telstra dangling a 10-gigabit prize for
anyone bold enough to poach their customers from their least contested
markets

Go figure

John


On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Jim Woodward <jim at alwaysnever.net> wrote:

> I agree, both Telstra and Optus peering agreements are specifically
> written in a way that anyone other than a national competitor of equivalent
> size would be excluded from eligibility and as John said earlier even large
> content providers (e.g. a Netflix, Google or an Amazon) with presence in a
> few major centres would not qualify per the requirements laid out in that
> agreement with private discussions between those entities notwithstanding.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *Matt
> Perkins
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 October 2018 10:17 AM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Telstra and Vocus Peering
>
>
>
> This appears to be orchestrated to allow Vocus in to the gang so the ACCC
> will settle down.  It seems to be they would be the people likely to
> Qualify and not really anyone else.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> On 24/10/18 9:35 am, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>
> I think it'd be brave to say that.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:55 AM Cameron Murray <cameron.murray at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> some of us.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:24 AM Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> Looking at 3.6:
>
>
>
> 3.6 The peering partner's nationally deployed resilient Internet backbone
> network should
>
> operate on circuits of at least 50% of Telstra’s Internet backbone network
> from Perth
>
> to Brisbane that is dedicated to public Internet traffic.
>
>
>
> I'd ask who qualifies at all?
>
>
>
> MMC
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Oct 2018, at 7:05 am, John Edwards <jaedwards at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Links to peering docs from the ACCC web site:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.telstrawholesale.com.au/content/dam/tw/products/data_ip/Telstra%20Wholesale%20Internet1/Telstra%20Peering%20Guidelines.pdf
>
> https://www.tpg.com.au/peering-guidelines
>
>
> https://www.optus.com.au/content/dam/optus/documents/wholesale/fixed/Optus%20IP%20Interconnect%20Policy%20-%20Summary_2018.pdf
>
> http://www.verizonenterprise.com/terms/peering/
>
>
>
> These things do have a tendency to disappear from web sites over time so
> if you aspire to one day peer with the big guys I recommend that you save a
> copy of each of these
>
>
>
> The Telstra and TPG documents mention "Sender Keep All", which implies
> that the IP itself is "free"
>
>
>
> The Telstra standard for peering is exclusive - requiring interconnection
> in Darwin AND Hobart, which probably rules out most of the International
> content providers that setup in Sydney
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 00:56, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
>
>
> https://www.crn.com.au/news/optus-telstra-tpg-publish-peering-criteria-for-interested-isps-514364
>
>
> https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/648621/no-need-regulate-isp-peering-arrangements-accc-says/
>
> Doesn't say if its paid or settlement free
>
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