<div dir="ltr">When IP networks were expensive and a premium product, demanding peering in Hobart and Darwin probably looked like good strategy for maintaining exclusivity<div><br></div><div>Fast forward to 2018 where there is federal government funded RBBP fibre to Darwin, and new Bass Strait energy projects being proposed that will include fibre - this now looks like Telstra dangling a 10-gigabit prize for anyone bold enough to poach their customers from their least contested markets</div><div><br></div><div>Go figure</div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Jim Woodward <<a href="mailto:jim@alwaysnever.net">jim@alwaysnever.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-9209957619851010169WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I agree, both Telstra and Optus peering agreements are specifically written in a way that anyone other than a national competitor of equivalent size would be excluded from eligibility and as John said earlier even large content providers (e.g. a Netflix, Google or an Amazon) with presence in a few major centres would not qualify per the requirements laid out in that agreement with private discussions between those entities notwithstanding. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Kind Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Jim.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Perkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 24 October 2018 10:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Telstra and Vocus Peering<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">This appears to be orchestrated to allow Vocus in to the gang so the ACCC will settle down. It seems to be they would be the people likely to Qualify and not really anyone else. <br><br>Matt<br><br><br><br>On 24/10/18 9:35 am, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think it'd be brave to say that.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:55 AM Cameron Murray <<a href="mailto:cameron.murray@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.murray@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">some of us.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:24 AM Matthew Moyle-Croft <<a href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au" target="_blank">mmc@mmc.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Looking at 3.6:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3.6 The peering partner's nationally deployed resilient Internet backbone network should <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">operate on circuits of at least 50% of Telstra’s Internet backbone network from Perth <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">to Brisbane that is dedicated to public Internet traffic.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I'd ask who qualifies at all? <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">MMC<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 24 Oct 2018, at 7:05 am, John Edwards <<a href="mailto:jaedwards@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaedwards@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Links to peering docs from the ACCC web site: <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.telstrawholesale.com.au/content/dam/tw/products/data_ip/Telstra%20Wholesale%20Internet1/Telstra%20Peering%20Guidelines.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.telstrawholesale.com.au/content/dam/tw/products/data_ip/Telstra%20Wholesale%20Internet1/Telstra%20Peering%20Guidelines.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.tpg.com.au/peering-guidelines" target="_blank">https://www.tpg.com.au/peering-guidelines</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.optus.com.au/content/dam/optus/documents/wholesale/fixed/Optus%20IP%20Interconnect%20Policy%20-%20Summary_2018.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.optus.com.au/content/dam/optus/documents/wholesale/fixed/Optus%20IP%20Interconnect%20Policy%20-%20Summary_2018.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.verizonenterprise.com/terms/peering/" target="_blank">http://www.verizonenterprise.com/terms/peering/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">These things do have a tendency to disappear from web sites over time so if you aspire to one day peer with the big guys I recommend that you save a copy of each of these<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Telstra and TPG documents mention "Sender Keep All", which implies that the IP itself is "free"<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Telstra standard for peering is exclusive - requiring interconnection in Darwin AND Hobart, which probably rules out most of the International content providers that setup in Sydney<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 00:56, Bradley Amm <<a href="mailto:brad@bradleyamm.com" target="_blank">brad@bradleyamm.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><a href="https://www.crn.com.au/news/optus-telstra-tpg-publish-peering-criteria-for-interested-isps-514364" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://www.crn.com.au/news/optus-telstra-tpg-publish-peering-criteria-for-interested-isps-514364</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><a href="https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/648621/no-need-regulate-isp-peering-arrangements-accc-says/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/648621/no-need-regulate-isp-peering-arrangements-accc-says/</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Doesn't say if its paid or settlement free<br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Get </span><a href="https://aka.ms/ghei36" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Outlook for Android</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><pre>_______________________________________________<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<u></u><u></u></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><u></u><u></u></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><u></u><u></u></pre></blockquote><p><u></u> <u></u></p><pre>-- <u></u><u></u></pre><pre>/* Matt Perkins <u></u><u></u></pre><pre> Direct 1300 137 379 Spectrum Networks Ptd. 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