[AusNOG] RISK - IT Industry - Concern Over Equipment Being, Installed in Data Centre Facilities - Further Replies

[Paul Wilkins]

Time was you might have asked for and got your 5 minute argument and left a
satisfied customer. That was a generation ago and it dates Python. These
days, the Marketing team's letting the side down if you haven't been
offered your complimentary definitional wrangle, upsold to a value added
tirade with the bundled ad hominem, which then seamlessly segues into a
Power Point slide deck of our exciting line of packages - the feud,
dispute, or jeremiad.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On 28 September 2016 at 12:51, Jim Woodward <jim at alwaysnever.net> wrote:

> +1 with everyone else that would like a stop thread on this, it's starting
> to overlap the same subject matter and really needs it's own mailing list
> or forum as I only have paid for the five minute argument and I think we've
> got our full five minutes worth :) </montypython>
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
> On 28/09/2016 10:43 AM, Nathanael Bettridge wrote:
>
>> Hi Skeeve,
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Skeeve Stevens
>>>
>>> A lot of people have this idea that everything should be openly discussed
>>> because doing it helps us all understand the situation and we can all
>>> contribute and solve the problem. This is a stupid idea mostly
>>> perpetrated by
>>> people who is not the person actually at most risk or the most to lose.
>>>
>> As others have mentioned, the obscurity vs public discussion matter is at
>> the very least debatable if not entirely debunked. It's still a natural
>> tendency though for people to want to conceal "dangerous" information.
>>
>> Should we openly discuss, on an archived list, with press watching. how we
>>> could use household goods to make explosives?
>>> Or talk about how easy it is to make certain bioweapons and the different
>>> ways we could deploy them?
>>>
>> No, because they would be off-topic :)
>> It's also possibly illegal to give too much detail on that in Australia,
>> though it probably shouldn't be if it is.
>>
>> Or should we perhaps talk about how easy it is to commit fraud?
>>>
>> It's come up in other lists and here from memory a few times.
>>
>> Yes... lets give blueprints to people who are motived by malice so that
>>> they
>>> can go off and do what we're suggesting puts us at risk.
>>>
>> If people want to do bad things they'll do it regardless. It's not hard
>> to figure out. At least we can be aware of the possibilities for defensive
>> planning.
>>
>> Suitable forums are private industry ones with a membership criteria
>>> which is
>>> often gated to certain professions, peer recommendations, and so on.
>>>
>> You are welcome to restrict your own participation in these kinds of
>> discussions to those forums of course.
>> Others can make their own decisions on that.
>>
>> -Nathanael Bettridge
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