[AusNOG] RISK - IT Industry - Concern Over Equipment Being, Installed in Data Centre Facilities - Further Replies

[Josh Carter]

If the packages come with an unsuscribe button, take my money.

--JC

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins
Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 3:14 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] RISK - IT Industry - Concern Over Equipment Being, Installed in Data Centre Facilities - Further Replies

Time was you might have asked for and got your 5 minute argument and left a satisfied customer. That was a generation ago and it dates Python. These days, the Marketing team's letting the side down if you haven't been offered your complimentary definitional wrangle, upsold to a value added tirade with the bundled ad hominem, which then seamlessly segues into a Power Point slide deck of our exciting line of packages - the feud, dispute, or jeremiad.
Kind regards
Paul Wilkins

On 28 September 2016 at 12:51, Jim Woodward <jim at alwaysnever.net<mailto:jim at alwaysnever.net>> wrote:
+1 with everyone else that would like a stop thread on this, it's starting to overlap the same subject matter and really needs it's own mailing list or forum as I only have paid for the five minute argument and I think we've got our full five minutes worth :) </montypython>

Jim.



On 28/09/2016 10:43 AM, Nathanael Bettridge wrote:
Hi Skeeve,
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From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of
Skeeve Stevens

A lot of people have this idea that everything should be openly discussed
because doing it helps us all understand the situation and we can all
contribute and solve the problem. This is a stupid idea mostly perpetrated by
people who is not the person actually at most risk or the most to lose.
As others have mentioned, the obscurity vs public discussion matter is at the very least debatable if not entirely debunked. It's still a natural tendency though for people to want to conceal "dangerous" information.
Should we openly discuss, on an archived list, with press watching. how we
could use household goods to make explosives?
Or talk about how easy it is to make certain bioweapons and the different
ways we could deploy them?
No, because they would be off-topic :)
It's also possibly illegal to give too much detail on that in Australia, though it probably shouldn't be if it is.
Or should we perhaps talk about how easy it is to commit fraud?
It's come up in other lists and here from memory a few times.
Yes... lets give blueprints to people who are motived by malice so that they
can go off and do what we're suggesting puts us at risk.
If people want to do bad things they'll do it regardless. It's not hard to figure out. At least we can be aware of the possibilities for defensive planning.
Suitable forums are private industry ones with a membership criteria which is
often gated to certain professions, peer recommendations, and so on.
You are welcome to restrict your own participation in these kinds of discussions to those forums of course.
Others can make their own decisions on that.

-Nathanael Bettridge
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