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[Richard Ham (lists)]

Experience suggests a #7 birdshot for retention. 

 

Not sure that interception would be lawful, though.

 

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Dylan
Chidgey
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What would be the implementation plan for data retention and lawful
interception?

 

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Nick
Stallman
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That only applies for carrier pigeons I thought?

On 04/09/15 14:31, Paul Wilkins wrote:

You'll need a carrier license if your pigeons are crossing a property line.

(I am not a lawyer. This is not expert legal opinion)

 

Paul Wilkins

 

On 4 September 2015 at 09:19, Dylan Chidgey
<dylan.chidgey at cirruscomms.com.au> wrote:

Pigeons FTW

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm

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From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark
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On 3 September 2015 at 17:17, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>
wrote:
> If I use hungry eagles instead, will I be:
> (a) non-compliant with the RFC
> (b) offering a lower-latency service
> (c) subject to ACCC investigation when other's links mysteriously fail
> (d) all of the above
>

So if pigeon loss is too high, it might be necessary to resort to a more
reliable link layer, taking into account BCP 89/RFC 3819's advice ("Advice
for Internet Subnetwork Designers"),

"Error recovery in the subnetwork is therefore
   justifiable only to the extent that it can enhance overall
   performance.  It is important to recognize that a subnetwork can go
   too far in attempting to provide error recovery services in the
   Internet environment.  Subnet reliability should be "lightweight",
   i.e., it only has to be "good enough", *not* perfect."

and resort to a tank link-layer.

RFC 1217, "Memo from the Consortium for Slow Commotion Research (CSCR)"

"  This system uses a highly redundant optical communication technique
   to achieve ultra-low, ultra-robust transmission.  The basic unit is
   the M1A1 tank.  Each tank is labelled with the number 0 or 1 painted
   four feet high on the tank turret in yellow, day-glo luminescent
   paint."


>
> On 3/09/2015 4:32 PM, Jim Woodward wrote:
>
> It's all good in theory until your network delivery team calls in with
> bird flu :)
>
> On 3/09/2015 3:20 PM, Purdon, Bob wrote:
>
>> So I reckon you'd be on solid ground if you used RFC1149.
>
> I recall that PIPE Networks did a trial of RFC1149 some time ago from
> the
> 127 Creek St office.  Wasn't terribly successful :-)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhjn8kbFe74
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