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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Experience suggests a #7 birdshot for retention. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not sure that interception would be lawful, though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dylan Chidgey<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 4 September 2015 3:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Nick Stallman'; 'Paul Wilkins'; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What would be the implementation plan for data retention and lawful interception?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Stallman<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 4 September 2015 3:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>That only applies for carrier pigeons I thought?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/09/15 14:31, Paul Wilkins wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>You'll need a carrier license if your pigeons are crossing a property line.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(I am not a lawyer. This is not expert legal opinion)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Paul Wilkins<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 4 September 2015 at 09:19, Dylan Chidgey <<a href="mailto:dylan.chidgey@cirruscomms.com.au" target="_blank">dylan.chidgey@cirruscomms.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Pigeons FTW<br><br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm</a><br><br><span class=im>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span class=im>From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Mark</span><br><span class=im>Smith</span><br><span class=im>Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2015 5:33 PM</span><br><span class=im>To: Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>></span><br><span class=im>Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a></span><br><span class=im>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] (no subject)</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 3 September 2015 at 17:17, Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>><br>wrote:<br>> If I use hungry eagles instead, will I be:<br>> (a) non-compliant with the RFC<br>> (b) offering a lower-latency service<br>> (c) subject to ACCC investigation when other's links mysteriously fail<br>> (d) all of the above<br>><br><br>So if pigeon loss is too high, it might be necessary to resort to a more<br>reliable link layer, taking into account BCP 89/RFC 3819's advice ("Advice<br>for Internet Subnetwork Designers"),<br><br>"Error recovery in the subnetwork is therefore<br> justifiable only to the extent that it can enhance overall<br> performance. It is important to recognize that a subnetwork can go<br> too far in attempting to provide error recovery services in the<br> Internet environment. Subnet reliability should be "lightweight",<br> i.e., it only has to be "good enough", *not* perfect."<br><br>and resort to a tank link-layer.<br><br>RFC 1217, "Memo from the Consortium for Slow Commotion Research (CSCR)"<br><br>" This system uses a highly redundant optical communication technique<br> to achieve ultra-low, ultra-robust transmission. The basic unit is<br> the M1A1 tank. Each tank is labelled with the number 0 or 1 painted<br> four feet high on the tank turret in yellow, day-glo luminescent<br> paint."<br><br><br>><br>> On 3/09/2015 4:32 PM, Jim Woodward wrote:<br>><br>> It's all good in theory until your network delivery team calls in with<br>> bird flu :)<br>><br>> On 3/09/2015 3:20 PM, Purdon, Bob wrote:<br>><br>>> So I reckon you'd be on solid ground if you used RFC1149.<br>><br>> I recall that PIPE Networks did a trial of RFC1149 some time ago from<br>> the<br>> 127 Creek St office. Wasn't terribly successful :-)<br>><br>> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhjn8kbFe74" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhjn8kbFe74</a><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AusNOG mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AusNOG mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AusNOG mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Nick Stallman<br>Agentpoint Pty Ltd <br>The Real Estate Web Developers<br>Melbourne | Sydney | Miami<br><a href="mailto:nick@agentpoint.com">nick@agentpoint.com</a><br><a href="http://www.agentpoint.com.au">www.agentpoint.com.au</a> | <a href="http://www.zooproperty.com">www.zooproperty.com</a> | <a href="http://www.ginga.com.au">www.ginga.com.au</a> | <a href="http://www.business2.com.au">www.business2.com.au</a><br><br>Business2.com.au is a real estate agent information website that helps you understand Portals, Technology and comes with FREE tools to help your Agency become an online success!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>