[AusNOG] Data retention

Tue Oct 13 12:20:54 EST 2015

I used google, and the compared his Linkedin profile with his posting
habits on list.

I guess you could say I used the Metadata to profile the End User? ;)

On 13 October 2015 at 12:11, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13 October 2015 at 11:59, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag at rendrag.net>
> wrote:
> > Isn't that just Eric's normal email address?
> >
>
> How can you tell from the email address? As far as I knew, Mr Pink is
> a character from the movie Reservoir Dogs.
>
> > He's been posting with that address since he left Datacom? :)
> >
>
> He's clearly intending to hiding his identity. He could have easily
> associated his proper name with an email address that doesn't disclose
> identity, as you have done.
>
> > On 13 October 2015 at 11:55, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 13 October 2015 at 10:00, Mister Pink <misterpink at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > 'privacy advocate' is a lofty term for people who just want to torrent
> >> > without wanting Dallas Buyers Club letters.
> >> >
> >>
> >> This coming from somebody who has decided to hide their identity by
> >> using a fake email address ....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I'm not judging those people, but using a VPN in reaction to the data
> >> > retention laws for the most part belies the problem they are trying to
> >> > solve, and calling that 'Privacy' pollutes the term for people with
> more
> >> > legitimate causes.
> >> >
> >> > In effect (unless you roll your own) it means you trust a cheap vpn
> >> > provider
> >> > in a random country more than your own Gov't?  and if your VPN
> provider
> >> > of
> >> > choice isn't already selling your data to data brokers, they probably
> >> > will
> >> > be soon.
> >> >
> >> > If you absolutely want privacy on the internet, then you need
> anonymity,
> >> > and
> >> > for that I would recommend TOR rather than a vpn, or if you are really
> >> > paranoid, TOR over a VPN from Mcdonalds Wifi with a Linux ISO on a
> >> > thumbdrive from a disposable laptop, but then you're not downloading
> >> > pirate
> >> > movies.
> >> >
> >> > Lets agree on this list to call a spade a spade, and not concede moral
> >> > high
> >> > ground to people who may not deserve it...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 13 October 2015 at 09:22, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
> >> > <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Most of my friends, mainly IT literate are thinking vpn. Not a good
> >> >> sampling for the general public.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> But you have pollie’s pushing VPN’s and legal (!)  avoidance
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/campaigns/stopdataretention#protect
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> and I believe its quiet easy to setup routers now a days with VPN’s
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The above link even suggests VPN’s for phone. Hadn’t thought of that
> >> >> one!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I’m think it’s going to be more than a fringe, maybe not an
> avalanche,
> >> >> but
> >> >> it would be interesting to track…
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> A
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Geordie Guy [mailto:elomis at gmail.com]
> >> >> Sent: Monday, 12 October 2015 4:16 PM
> >> >> To: Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
> >> >> Cc: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>;
> >> >> ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> >> >> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Data retention
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> What's your end goal? If it is to avoid the new datarention going
> into
> >> >> effect tomorrow, using a VPN isnt going to change what is being
> >> >> recorded on
> >> >> you. Dataretention is capturing Email headers on ISP (australian)
> email
> >> >> addresses, which a VPN wont change, and the IP assigned to your
> session
> >> >> when
> >> >> you connect (either via ADSL, NBN, 3/4G etc), which again, a VPN wont
> >> >> change.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Few people are just using a VPN to avoid retention most are ensuring
> >> >> they
> >> >> don't use ISP email, and deploy other encryption heavily.  Done right
> >> >> (and
> >> >> it's not that difficult), the only audit trail you leave is quite
> >> >> boring -
> >> >> all data is from the same IP, to the same IP, and encrypted.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> VPN also introduces a lot of other issues such as latency and GEOIP
> >> >> breakages that it reduces the end user experience of the internet, so
> >> >> for
> >> >> most people, pumping all their data through an international VPN is
> >> >> going to
> >> >> make using the internet unjoyful.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> How are GEOIP breakages a bad thing? Most people using VPNs before
> data
> >> >> retention were doing it explicitly to break IP geolocation.  Latency
> is
> >> >> similarly not a drama, particularly in circumstances where people are
> >> >> using
> >> >> carriers that pick losers on a TCP port by TCP port basis and
> actually
> >> >> get a
> >> >> net experience improvement.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The VPN from my phone transparently routes all my traffic via New
> >> >> Zealand.
> >> >> I don't notice any difference.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Then there is the whole issue of complication, what % of australian
> >> >> users
> >> >> have the technical ability to set up a VPN?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The one I use on my phone processed a payment, took me to the App
> Store
> >> >> to
> >> >> download their client, I picked a country from a list of flags.  The
> >> >> experience was infinitely easier most other tasks I've performed this
> >> >> week.
> >> >> This is progressing in the same vein as everything else - there's
> money
> >> >> to
> >> >> be made if you present a compelling use case (would you like Netflix
> to
> >> >> think you're American?) and price it correctly (well Netflix will
> think
> >> >> you're American if you give me $3.95 a month and click here).
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I would put that in the single digit percentage, and then what % of
> >> >> thoes
> >> >> will actually set up a VPN? Again I would guess maybe 10% if you're
> >> >> lucky?
> >> >> So worst case maybe a 0.5% increase in international traffic? That's
> >> >> not
> >> >> even factoring in how much was international traffic to begin with
> >> >> which
> >> >> wouldnt increase international usage anyway, just change how its
> coming
> >> >> in.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The idea that this is hampered by difficulty and poor experience is
> >> >> wrong.
> >> >> It hasn't always been wrong, setting up a VPN was a new and hard
> thing
> >> >> for
> >> >> people not all that long ago, but the Internet has done what the
> >> >> Internet
> >> >> does and people have made it easy to set up with easy payment
> options.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --Damian
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
> >> >> <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi
> >> >>
> >> >> I see a lot of privacy advocacy groups recommending using VPN out of
> >> >> australia. I wonder where can we see easily the change to from local
> >> >> traffic
> >> >> to international traffic.
> >> >>
> >> >> So I have friends who are thinking of just setting up a vpn to take
> all
> >> >> their traffic overseas including access to local sites, like smh
> >> >> commbank
> >> >> etc etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> My presumption we double up on Intl traffic outbound and then
> inbound !
> >> >>
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> > Damien Gardner Jnr
> > VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust
> > rendrag at rendrag.net -  http://www.rendrag.net/
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Damien Gardner Jnr
VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust
rendrag at rendrag.net -  http://www.rendrag.net/
--
We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
 We ran to the sounds of thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
 and tore the world asunder
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