<div dir="ltr">I used google, and the compared his Linkedin profile with his posting habits on list.<div><br></div><div>I guess you could say I used the Metadata to profile the End User? ;)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 October 2015 at 12:11, Mark Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">markzzzsmith@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 13 October 2015 at 11:59, Damien Gardner Jnr <<a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net">rendrag@rendrag.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Isn't that just Eric's normal email address?<br>
><br>
<br>
</span>How can you tell from the email address? As far as I knew, Mr Pink is<br>
a character from the movie Reservoir Dogs.<br>
<span class=""><br>
> He's been posting with that address since he left Datacom? :)<br>
><br>
<br>
</span>He's clearly intending to hiding his identity. He could have easily<br>
associated his proper name with an email address that doesn't disclose<br>
identity, as you have done.<br>
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> On 13 October 2015 at 11:55, Mark Smith <<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@gmail.com">markzzzsmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On 13 October 2015 at 10:00, Mister Pink <<a href="mailto:misterpink@gmail.com">misterpink@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > 'privacy advocate' is a lofty term for people who just want to torrent<br>
>> > without wanting Dallas Buyers Club letters.<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> This coming from somebody who has decided to hide their identity by<br>
>> using a fake email address ....<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > I'm not judging those people, but using a VPN in reaction to the data<br>
>> > retention laws for the most part belies the problem they are trying to<br>
>> > solve, and calling that 'Privacy' pollutes the term for people with more<br>
>> > legitimate causes.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > In effect (unless you roll your own) it means you trust a cheap vpn<br>
>> > provider<br>
>> > in a random country more than your own Gov't? and if your VPN provider<br>
>> > of<br>
>> > choice isn't already selling your data to data brokers, they probably<br>
>> > will<br>
>> > be soon.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > If you absolutely want privacy on the internet, then you need anonymity,<br>
>> > and<br>
>> > for that I would recommend TOR rather than a vpn, or if you are really<br>
>> > paranoid, TOR over a VPN from Mcdonalds Wifi with a Linux ISO on a<br>
>> > thumbdrive from a disposable laptop, but then you're not downloading<br>
>> > pirate<br>
>> > movies.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Lets agree on this list to call a spade a spade, and not concede moral<br>
>> > high<br>
>> > ground to people who may not deserve it...<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 13 October 2015 at 09:22, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Most of my friends, mainly IT literate are thinking vpn. Not a good<br>
>> >> sampling for the general public.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> But you have pollie’s pushing VPN’s and legal (!) avoidance<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a href="http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/campaigns/stopdataretention#protect" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/campaigns/stopdataretention#protect</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> and I believe its quiet easy to setup routers now a days with VPN’s<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The above link even suggests VPN’s for phone. Hadn’t thought of that<br>
>> >> one!<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I’m think it’s going to be more than a fringe, maybe not an avalanche,<br>
>> >> but<br>
>> >> it would be interesting to track…<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> A<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> From: Geordie Guy [mailto:<a href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com">elomis@gmail.com</a>]<br>
>> >> Sent: Monday, 12 October 2015 4:16 PM<br>
>> >> To: Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> Cc: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>>;<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
>> >> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Data retention<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> What's your end goal? If it is to avoid the new datarention going into<br>
>> >> effect tomorrow, using a VPN isnt going to change what is being<br>
>> >> recorded on<br>
>> >> you. Dataretention is capturing Email headers on ISP (australian) email<br>
>> >> addresses, which a VPN wont change, and the IP assigned to your session<br>
>> >> when<br>
>> >> you connect (either via ADSL, NBN, 3/4G etc), which again, a VPN wont<br>
>> >> change.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Few people are just using a VPN to avoid retention most are ensuring<br>
>> >> they<br>
>> >> don't use ISP email, and deploy other encryption heavily. Done right<br>
>> >> (and<br>
>> >> it's not that difficult), the only audit trail you leave is quite<br>
>> >> boring -<br>
>> >> all data is from the same IP, to the same IP, and encrypted.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> VPN also introduces a lot of other issues such as latency and GEOIP<br>
>> >> breakages that it reduces the end user experience of the internet, so<br>
>> >> for<br>
>> >> most people, pumping all their data through an international VPN is<br>
>> >> going to<br>
>> >> make using the internet unjoyful.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> How are GEOIP breakages a bad thing? Most people using VPNs before data<br>
>> >> retention were doing it explicitly to break IP geolocation. Latency is<br>
>> >> similarly not a drama, particularly in circumstances where people are<br>
>> >> using<br>
>> >> carriers that pick losers on a TCP port by TCP port basis and actually<br>
>> >> get a<br>
>> >> net experience improvement.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The VPN from my phone transparently routes all my traffic via New<br>
>> >> Zealand.<br>
>> >> I don't notice any difference.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Then there is the whole issue of complication, what % of australian<br>
>> >> users<br>
>> >> have the technical ability to set up a VPN?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The one I use on my phone processed a payment, took me to the App Store<br>
>> >> to<br>
>> >> download their client, I picked a country from a list of flags. The<br>
>> >> experience was infinitely easier most other tasks I've performed this<br>
>> >> week.<br>
>> >> This is progressing in the same vein as everything else - there's money<br>
>> >> to<br>
>> >> be made if you present a compelling use case (would you like Netflix to<br>
>> >> think you're American?) and price it correctly (well Netflix will think<br>
>> >> you're American if you give me $3.95 a month and click here).<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I would put that in the single digit percentage, and then what % of<br>
>> >> thoes<br>
>> >> will actually set up a VPN? Again I would guess maybe 10% if you're<br>
>> >> lucky?<br>
>> >> So worst case maybe a 0.5% increase in international traffic? That's<br>
>> >> not<br>
>> >> even factoring in how much was international traffic to begin with<br>
>> >> which<br>
>> >> wouldnt increase international usage anyway, just change how its coming<br>
>> >> in.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The idea that this is hampered by difficulty and poor experience is<br>
>> >> wrong.<br>
>> >> It hasn't always been wrong, setting up a VPN was a new and hard thing<br>
>> >> for<br>
>> >> people not all that long ago, but the Internet has done what the<br>
>> >> Internet<br>
>> >> does and people have made it easy to set up with easy payment options.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --Damian<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I see a lot of privacy advocacy groups recommending using VPN out of<br>
>> >> australia. I wonder where can we see easily the change to from local<br>
>> >> traffic<br>
>> >> to international traffic.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> So I have friends who are thinking of just setting up a vpn to take all<br>
>> >> their traffic overseas including access to local sites, like smh<br>
>> >> commbank<br>
>> >> etc etc.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> My presumption we double up on Intl traffic outbound and then inbound !<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> A<br>
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> Damien Gardner Jnr<br>
> VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust<br>
> <a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net">rendrag@rendrag.net</a> - <a href="http://www.rendrag.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.rendrag.net/</a><br>
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<p>Damien Gardner Jnr<br>VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust<br><a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net" target="_blank">rendrag@rendrag.net</a> - <span><a href="http://www.rendrag.net/" target="_blank">http://www.rendrag.net/</a><u><br></u></span>--<br>We rode on the winds of the rising storm,<br> We ran to the sounds of thunder.<br>We danced among the lightning bolts,<br> and tore the world asunder</p></div></div>
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