[AusNOG] Cisco 887VA vs Cisco 867VAE
Mike Taylor
mtaylor at totalteam.co.nz
Tue Nov 3 10:45:38 EST 2015
Hi John,
'K9' refers to the software image having encryption included. It does
indicate any hardware difference.
Mike
On 03/11/15 12:35, John Edwards wrote:
> The 867VAE is fine for 100mbps NBN connections.
>
> On VDSL2 connections in ideal conditions, it is good for ~97M sync
> speed with ~82M of download throughput using NAT/ACLs/PPP. NAT barely
> makes a difference.
>
> The "K9" model has some more CPU power than the not-K9 model, this is
> possibly why you'll see conflicting test results.
>
> The other cool thing the 867VAE can do is boot a config from USB. This
> gives you an option to provide a "rescue disk" for end users if they
> or their local IT guy go too far with their config experiments.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On 2 November 2015 at 23:58, Skeeve Stevens
> <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com>> wrote:
>
> Ruben,
>
> Excellent details... but still... the throughput still isn't very
> capable.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>
> --
>
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> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Reuben Farrelly
> <reuben-ausnog at reub.net <mailto:reuben-ausnog at reub.net>> wrote:
>
> That document was last updated in 2009 and most things on it
> are now EoL and/or obsoleted. For example the 860 on that
> document is the old original model that IIRC is end of life,
> not the much newer 867VAE, so the figures don't apply. Ditto
> for the 880s - superseeded by the 880VA's.
>
> My real world testing on an 867VAE indicates that 50Mbit/sec
> is probably closer to the limit before the CPU starts to eat
> dirt. That's with NAT but no ACLs and definitely no ZBFW. A
> 100M NBN service would definitely be beyond one of these units.
>
> Smartnet on them is around $40/year.
>
> I have run into one problem with the 867VAE though. I have one
> deployed in NZ and the DSL trainup time varies between 2 mins
> and about an hour. I raised a TAC case on it, Cisco have told
> me in writing more than once that the firmware on that
> platform is very very ancient and cannot be upgraded (even
> though there is a download of Broadcom firmware for it on CCO
> which strongly suggests that it can be upgraded). They
> suggested that a fix for the issue was to upgrade to the
> 880VA, or to get the carrier (Chorus) to tweak DSLAM settings
> to drop the interleave delay. Neither were palatable options
> on what was a new install.
>
> On another one that was installed on a long line in
> Campbelltown NSW it performed very well until the NBN was
> delivered a couple of months ago. Now it drives a 25M NBN
> service easily and the upgrade from ADSL to NBN was done
> without a new router.
>
> However despite these experiences, overall I would say that
> they are great for functionality and great value for the price.
>
> Reuben
>
> On 2/11/2015 9:35 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
> I don't think either of these routers have the throughput
> to handle
> decent NBN connections.
>
> Check:
> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>
> 870 series - 12.8Mbps
> 860 series - 12.8Mbps
> 880 series - 25.6Mbos
> 890 series - 51.2Mbos
>
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>
> --
>
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>
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> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Radek Tkaczyk
> <radek at tkaczyk.id.au <mailto:radek at tkaczyk.id.au>
> <mailto:radek at tkaczyk.id.au <mailto:radek at tkaczyk.id.au>>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,____
>
> __ __
>
> For those that use Cisco CPE routers, I’d like to get
> some opinions
> on these two models of routers, Cisco 887VA and Cisco
> 867VA.____
>
> __ __
>
> We have always used the Cisco 887VA for ADSL2+
> connections for our
> business clients (those that won’t pay from proper
> Ethernet over
> Copper, and a Cisco 881), but with the NBN FTTN now
> coming up, we
> are re-examining our preferred choice of routers.____
>
> __ __
>
> Both support VDSL2, so no problem there for NBN FTTN
> compatibility
> (hopefully), but the Cisco 867VA has the added benefit
> of having
> BOTH VDSL2 WAN and gig WAN (Cisco 887VA only has a
> single VDSL WAN
> port). The Cisco 867VAE also has an additional gig LAN
> port, as well
> as the standard 4 x 100Mbps LAN ports.____
>
> __ __
>
> I have always thought that the 867VAE was a cheap
> alternative to the
> “proper” Cisco 887VA,and we always used the Cisco
> 887VA so that we
> had the best option available, but am interested to
> hear what other
> people’s thoughts are here. Especially considering
> that the Cisco
> 867VAE is cheaper than the Cisco 887VA (not by much
> though)____
>
> __ __
>
> Regards,____
>
> __ __
>
> Radek Tkaczyk____
>
> Ph: 0413 383 231____
>
> __ __
>
>
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