[AusNOG] Cisco 887VA vs Cisco 867VAE

Mike Taylor mtaylor at totalteam.co.nz
Tue Nov 3 10:45:38 EST 2015


Hi John,

'K9' refers to the software image having encryption included. It does
indicate any hardware difference.

Mike

On 03/11/15 12:35, John Edwards wrote:
> The 867VAE is fine for 100mbps NBN connections.
>
> On VDSL2 connections in ideal conditions, it is good for ~97M sync
> speed with ~82M of download throughput using NAT/ACLs/PPP. NAT barely
> makes a difference.
>
> The "K9" model has some more CPU power than the not-K9 model, this is
> possibly why you'll see conflicting test results.
>
> The other cool thing the 867VAE can do is boot a config from USB. This
> gives you an option to provide a "rescue disk" for end users if they
> or their local IT guy go too far with their config experiments.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On 2 November 2015 at 23:58, Skeeve Stevens
> <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com>> wrote:
>
>     Ruben,
>
>     Excellent details... but still... the throughput still isn't very
>     capable.
>
>
>     ...Skeeve
>
>
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>     On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Reuben Farrelly
>     <reuben-ausnog at reub.net <mailto:reuben-ausnog at reub.net>> wrote:
>
>         That document was last updated in 2009 and most things on it
>         are now EoL and/or obsoleted. For example the 860 on that
>         document is the old original model that IIRC is end of life,
>         not the much newer 867VAE, so the figures don't apply. Ditto
>         for the 880s - superseeded by the 880VA's.
>
>         My real world testing on an 867VAE indicates that 50Mbit/sec
>         is probably closer to the limit before the CPU starts to eat
>         dirt. That's with NAT but no ACLs and definitely no ZBFW.  A
>         100M NBN service would definitely be beyond one of these units.
>
>         Smartnet on them is around $40/year.
>
>         I have run into one problem with the 867VAE though. I have one
>         deployed in NZ and the DSL trainup time varies between 2 mins
>         and about an hour. I raised a TAC case on it, Cisco have told
>         me in writing more than once that the firmware on that
>         platform is very very ancient and cannot be upgraded (even
>         though there is a download of Broadcom firmware for it on CCO
>         which strongly suggests that it can be upgraded). They
>         suggested that a fix for the issue was to upgrade to the
>         880VA, or to get the carrier (Chorus) to tweak DSLAM settings
>         to drop the interleave delay. Neither were palatable options
>         on what was a new install.
>
>         On another one that was installed on a long line in
>         Campbelltown NSW it performed very well until the NBN was
>         delivered a couple of months ago.  Now it drives a 25M NBN
>         service easily and the upgrade from ADSL to NBN was done
>         without a new router.
>
>         However despite these experiences, overall I would say that
>         they are great for functionality and great value for the price.
>
>         Reuben
>
>         On 2/11/2015 9:35 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
>             I don't think either of these routers have the throughput
>             to handle
>             decent NBN connections.
>
>             Check:
>             http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>
>             870 series - 12.8Mbps
>             860 series - 12.8Mbps
>             880 series - 25.6Mbos
>             890 series - 51.2Mbos
>
>
>
>             ...Skeeve
>
>
>             --
>
>             Skeeve Stevens - The ISP Guy - Internet Provider SME
>
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>             On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Radek Tkaczyk
>             <radek at tkaczyk.id.au <mailto:radek at tkaczyk.id.au>
>             <mailto:radek at tkaczyk.id.au <mailto:radek at tkaczyk.id.au>>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 Hi Guys,____
>
>                 __ __
>
>                 For those that use Cisco CPE routers, I’d like to get
>             some opinions
>                 on these two models of routers, Cisco 887VA and Cisco
>             867VA.____
>
>                 __ __
>
>                 We have always used the Cisco 887VA for ADSL2+
>             connections for our
>                 business clients (those that won’t pay from proper
>             Ethernet over
>                 Copper, and a Cisco 881), but with the NBN FTTN now
>             coming up, we
>                 are re-examining our preferred choice of routers.____
>
>                 __ __
>
>                 Both support VDSL2, so no problem there for NBN FTTN
>             compatibility
>                 (hopefully), but the Cisco 867VA has the added benefit
>             of having
>                 BOTH VDSL2 WAN and gig WAN (Cisco 887VA only has a
>             single VDSL WAN
>                 port). The Cisco 867VAE also has an additional gig LAN
>             port, as well
>                 as the standard 4 x 100Mbps LAN ports.____
>
>                 __ __
>
>                 I have always thought that the 867VAE was a cheap
>             alternative to the
>                 “proper” Cisco 887VA,and we always used the Cisco
>             887VA so that we
>                 had the best option available, but am interested to
>             hear what other
>                 people’s thoughts are here. Especially considering
>             that the Cisco
>                 867VAE is cheaper than the Cisco 887VA (not by much
>             though)____
>
>                 __ __
>
>                 Regards,____
>
>                 __ __
>
>                 Radek Tkaczyk____
>
>                 Ph: 0413 383 231____
>
>                 __ __
>
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