[AusNOG] Cisco 887VA vs Cisco 867VAE

[John Edwards]

The 867VAE is fine for 100mbps NBN connections.

On VDSL2 connections in ideal conditions, it is good for ~97M sync speed
with ~82M of download throughput using NAT/ACLs/PPP. NAT barely makes a
difference.

The "K9" model has some more CPU power than the not-K9 model, this is
possibly why you'll see conflicting test results.

The other cool thing the 867VAE can do is boot a config from USB. This
gives you an option to provide a "rescue disk" for end users if they or
their local IT guy go too far with their config experiments.

John




On 2 November 2015 at 23:58, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com>
wrote:

> Ruben,
>
> Excellent details... but still... the throughput still isn't very capable.
>
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> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Reuben Farrelly <reuben-ausnog at reub.net>
> wrote:
>
>> That document was last updated in 2009 and most things on it are now EoL
>> and/or obsoleted. For example the 860 on that document is the old original
>> model that IIRC is end of life, not the much newer 867VAE, so the figures
>> don't apply. Ditto for the 880s - superseeded by the 880VA's.
>>
>> My real world testing on an 867VAE indicates that 50Mbit/sec is probably
>> closer to the limit before the CPU starts to eat dirt. That's with NAT but
>> no ACLs and definitely no ZBFW.  A 100M NBN service would definitely be
>> beyond one of these units.
>>
>> Smartnet on them is around $40/year.
>>
>> I have run into one problem with the 867VAE though. I have one deployed
>> in NZ and the DSL trainup time varies between 2 mins and about an hour. I
>> raised a TAC case on it, Cisco have told me in writing more than once that
>> the firmware on that platform is very very ancient and cannot be upgraded
>> (even though there is a download of Broadcom firmware for it on CCO which
>> strongly suggests that it can be upgraded). They suggested that a fix for
>> the issue was to upgrade to the 880VA, or to get the carrier (Chorus) to
>> tweak DSLAM settings to drop the interleave delay. Neither were palatable
>> options on what was a new install.
>>
>> On another one that was installed on a long line in Campbelltown NSW it
>> performed very well until the NBN was delivered a couple of months ago.
>> Now it drives a 25M NBN service easily and the upgrade from ADSL to NBN was
>> done without a new router.
>>
>> However despite these experiences, overall I would say that they are
>> great for functionality and great value for the price.
>>
>> Reuben
>>
>> On 2/11/2015 9:35 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think either of these routers have the throughput to handle
>>> decent NBN connections.
>>>
>>> Check:
>>>
>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>>>
>>> 870 series - 12.8Mbps
>>> 860 series - 12.8Mbps
>>> 880 series - 25.6Mbos
>>> 890 series - 51.2Mbos
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Radek Tkaczyk <radek at tkaczyk.id.au
>>> <mailto:radek at tkaczyk.id.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Guys,____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     For those that use Cisco CPE routers, I’d like to get some opinions
>>>     on these two models of routers, Cisco 887VA and Cisco 867VA.____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     We have always used the Cisco 887VA for ADSL2+ connections for our
>>>     business clients (those that won’t pay from proper Ethernet over
>>>     Copper, and a Cisco 881), but with the NBN FTTN now coming up, we
>>>     are re-examining our preferred choice of routers.____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     Both support VDSL2, so no problem there for NBN FTTN compatibility
>>>     (hopefully), but the Cisco 867VA has the added benefit of having
>>>     BOTH VDSL2 WAN and gig WAN (Cisco 887VA only has a single VDSL WAN
>>>     port). The Cisco 867VAE also has an additional gig LAN port, as well
>>>     as the standard 4 x 100Mbps LAN ports.____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     I have always thought that the 867VAE was a cheap alternative to the
>>>     “proper” Cisco 887VA,and we always used the Cisco 887VA so that we
>>>     had the best option available, but am interested to hear what other
>>>     people’s thoughts are here. Especially considering that the Cisco
>>>     867VAE is cheaper than the Cisco 887VA (not by much though)____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     Regards,____
>>>
>>>     __ __
>>>
>>>     Radek Tkaczyk____
>>>
>>>     Ph: 0413 383 231____
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