[AusNOG] IPv6

[Joseph Goldman]

On the flip side - all it would take would be either Google or Facebook 
or <other massive service> to announce they are going IPv6 only in x 
months and uptake would be pretty quick, but no one with commercial 
interests would ever do that, and anything with non-commercial interests 
is too small to make that dent.

On 31/03/15 15:59, Greg Anderson wrote:
> I disagree with your statement, and I think that is because I don't 
> really consider this a change in state the same way you do.
>
> If we were talking colour, you would be saying we start at black, 
> progress through grey and end up at white.
>
> I see it as to seperate environments completely (as they are intended 
> to be deployed dual stack).
>
> One is black, and there is a lot of it (IPv4)
> One is white, and there is less of it (IPv6)
>
> In either of these, their state will change independently, but only 
> directly in relation to itself (within reason).  They may influence 
> each other, but at this stage, and for the foreseeable future, IPv4 is 
> not going anywhere.  Hack jobs like CGNAT are going to keep extending 
> its life, despite their drawbacks.
>
> So maybe I am just clueless, but really the state change will be with 
> IPv6 until it is ubiquitous, and only once that happens is there 
> likely to be a state change in IPv4 (removal).  That will start to 
> occur the day someone does a test by pulling down the IPv4 network and 
> testing, whilst finding no detrimental changes.
>
> On 31 March 2015 at 14:40, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Please don't regard this as trolling, but there is not going to
>     be, and cannot be, a gradual transition to IPv6. Consider this a
>     state problem, where the current state is ipv4, and we want to
>     move to ipv6. We can only make the transition when the marginal
>     utility of ipv6 is greater than for ipv4, ie. dU/d$(ipv6) >
>     dU/d$(ipv4) for users, carriers, and content providers. This will
>     only happen with a forcing change. For the foreseable future, the
>     lack of entropy precludes any transition from ipv4.
>
>     Paul Wilkins
>
>     On 31 March 2015 at 13:45, David Beveridge <dave at bevhost.com
>     <mailto:dave at bevhost.com>> wrote:
>
>
>         On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Mark ZZZ Smith
>         <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au <mailto:markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>>
>         wrote:
>
>             When was that?
>
>         about two years ago.
>
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* David Beveridge <dave at bevhost.com
>             <mailto:dave at bevhost.com>>
>             I hosted several sites on dual stack servers for some time,
>
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