[AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing

[Skeeve Stevens]

IMHO, We should not care about users privacy as it pertains to telecoms
services - THEY should.  No one should outsource their privacy to someone
else.

We shouldn't be encrypting, securing or otherwise worrying about their
comms, unless it is a part of the service they are paying for - and then it
should be best effort based on the agreement for the service.

If they choose to use Gmail, Hotmail, TOR, or a secure provider they IPSEC
into - it is their responsibility.


...Skeeve

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On 31 October 2014 09:41, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:

>  pffft
>
> anyone who is going to do something stupid is hardly going to use a
> provider supplied email, and recommending they use gmail or hotmail shows
> you dont care about their users privacy, you only care about your part in
> responsibility.
>
>
>
> I think there are way too many paranoid people here, its almost like, the
> writers of "millenium"  should read the archives of this list for a great
> comeback series :)
>
>
>
> On 30/10/2014 16:58, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
> I'd love to know what is meant by SMTP.
>
> For new providers I'm building these days my recommendation is to do NO
> mail.  Consumers can go to gmail/hotmail/etc...  and businesses run their
> own.
>
>
> If I ran an SMTP relay for customers, I would tell customers not to use
> it... so there would be no record.
>
> Business should setup a $10 per month AWS instance in the US or Japan and
> relay email through that.
>
> My opinion is that if we don't offer the service, we can't actually log it
> or give the information over.
>
> On the other hand.. if they are asking us to intercept traffic to figure
> this stuff out... then I'd think there would be a much bigger problem.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>  *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>  skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>
> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>
> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>
> twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
>
> The Experts Who The Experts Call
>  Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering
>
> On 30 October 2014 11:54, David Beveridge <dave at bevhost.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know why you're so upset about this.
>> They're only asking you to keep radius and smtp logs.
>> It's not like you're being asked to keep two years worth of netflow
>> history.
>>
>> dave
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Paul Julian <paul at oxygennetworks.com.au
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  This is total bullshit, these people just have no clue, is there
>>> nothing we can do as a community to try and stop this nonsense ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can just see the $$$$ now.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
>>> Yager
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 30 October 2014 11:22 AM
>>> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> *Subject:* [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/turnbull-to-rush-metadata-retention-legislation-through-parliament/story-e6frg90f-1227106806266?nk=72104b22405c826c296d068859fd4bea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>
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