[AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing

[Joseph Goldman]

An ISP provided mailbox is a PITA - a single domain with so many email 
address' on it becomes a hassle. You have people wanting 3+ mailboxes 
for all their family, then the hassle of when they move away from your 
services they want to keep their mailbox or have a forwarder so you have 
to maintain that (for a small fee) which over time builds you up to many 
hundreds or thousands of mailboxes to manage, backup and actually 
process the work-load for. This is after the argument that they dont 
want to pay any money and want to move everything over to new provider 
then eventually come back realising they need our help to keep their 
email address alive.

Big domains like that are also more targeted for SPAM. Our biggest ISP 
domain name we use accounts for 50% of our SPAM I'd say. 1 Domain in 
hundreds, counting for 50% of the work our spam filters have to do.

Sure if you want to buy a domain and buy a hosting package I'm all for 
it and will help you, as thats at least semi-portable for the customer, 
and a decent profit margin for the service, but we've stopped creating 
*new* ISP domain emails and are suggesting gmail for personal use.

On 31/10/14 09:41, Noel Butler wrote:
>
> pffft
>
> anyone who is going to do something stupid is hardly going to use a 
> provider supplied email, and recommending they use gmail or hotmail 
> shows you dont care about their users privacy, you only care about 
> your part in responsibility.
>
> I think there are way too many paranoid people here, its almost like, 
> the writers of "millenium"  should read the archives of this list for 
> a great comeback series :)
>
> On 30/10/2014 16:58, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
>> I'd love to know what is meant by SMTP.
>> For new providers I'm building these days my recommendation is to do 
>> NO mail.  Consumers can go to gmail/hotmail/etc...  and businesses 
>> run their own.
>> If I ran an SMTP relay for customers, I would tell customers not to 
>> use it... so there would be no record.
>> Business should setup a $10 per month AWS instance in the US or Japan 
>> and relay email through that.
>> My opinion is that if we don't offer the service, we can't actually 
>> log it or give the information over.
>> On the other hand.. if they are asking us to intercept traffic to 
>> figure this stuff out... then I'd think there would be a much bigger 
>> problem.
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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>>
>> twitter.com/theispguy <http://twitter.com/theispguy> ; blog: 
>> www.theispguy.com <http://www.theispguy.com/>
>>
>> The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>
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>>
>> On 30 October 2014 11:54, David Beveridge <dave at bevhost.com 
>> <mailto:dave at bevhost.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I don't know why you're so upset about this.
>>     They're only asking you to keep radius and smtp logs.
>>     It's not like you're being asked to keep two years worth of
>>     netflow history.
>>     dave
>>
>>     On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Paul Julian
>>     <paul at oxygennetworks.com.au <mailto:paul at oxygennetworks.com.au>>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         This is total bullshit, these people just have no clue, is
>>         there nothing we can do as a community to try and stop this
>>         nonsense ?
>>
>>         I can just see the $$$$ now.....
>>
>>         Regards
>>
>>         Paul
>>
>>         *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>>         <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] *On Behalf Of
>>         *Andrew Yager
>>         *Sent:* Thursday, 30 October 2014 11:22 AM
>>         *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>         *Subject:* [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a
>>         thing
>>
>>         http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/turnbull-to-rush-metadata-retention-legislation-through-parliament/story-e6frg90f-1227106806266?nk=72104b22405c826c296d068859fd4bea
>>
>>         Andrew
>>
>>         -- 
>>
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