[AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing

[Christopher Mclean]

?Maybe i'm naïve but if a terrorist organisation was going to plot an attack wouldn't the first thing they do be to do most of the things mentioned on here that will hide the activity rather than set up a domain called terrorist.com and therefore all the data retention will have in it is little Cindy Citizen 5 years old looking up the Barbie website to see what the latest Barbie fashion is or George Oldfellow looking at how to better grow rhubarb.



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pffft

anyone who is going to do something stupid is hardly going to use a provider supplied email, and recommending they use gmail or hotmail shows you dont care about their users privacy, you only care about your part in responsibility.



I think there are way too many paranoid people here, its almost like, the writers of "millenium"  should read the archives of this list for a great comeback series :)



On 30/10/2014 16:58, Skeeve Stevens wrote:

I'd love to know what is meant by SMTP.

For new providers I'm building these days my recommendation is to do NO mail.  Consumers can go to gmail/hotmail/etc...  and businesses run their own.


If I ran an SMTP relay for customers, I would tell customers not to use it... so there would be no record.

Business should setup a $10 per month AWS instance in the US or Japan and relay email through that.

My opinion is that if we don't offer the service, we can't actually log it or give the information over.

On the other hand.. if they are asking us to intercept traffic to figure this stuff out... then I'd think there would be a much bigger problem.


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On 30 October 2014 11:54, David Beveridge <dave at bevhost.com<mailto:dave at bevhost.com>> wrote:
I don't know why you're so upset about this.
They're only asking you to keep radius and smtp logs.
It's not like you're being asked to keep two years worth of netflow history.

dave

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Paul Julian <paul at oxygennetworks.com.au<mailto:paul at oxygennetworks.com.au>> wrote:
This is total bullshit, these people just have no clue, is there nothing we can do as a community to try and stop this nonsense ?

I can just see the $$$$ now.....

Regards
Paul

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/turnbull-to-rush-metadata-retention-legislation-through-parliament/story-e6frg90f-1227106806266?nk=72104b22405c826c296d068859fd4bea

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