[AusNOG] No Data Retention for ISPs - for now

[Nick Savvides]

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From:  Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
Date:  Monday, 14 July 2014 09:01
To:  James Braunegg <james.braunegg at micron21.com>
Cc:  "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at ausnog.net>
Subject:  Re: [AusNOG] No Data Retention for ISPs - for now

Thing is... I can't help feeling that any government attempt for data
retention could be challenged in the courts.

The stupid thing is, they are only proposing a record of the communication,
not the communication itself - as another example used, it is keeping a copy
of the letters envelope, but not what is inside... how useless in proving
anything.

Should the legislation ever actually come in, the requirements for ISPs to
suddenly keep this information would be extremely cost intensive, which is a
basis for a challenge in itself.

If the government was going to succeed doing this, they will need a much
longer term approach.  If I was them I would introduce ISP licensing, and
get everyone to move to it over a few years, then introduce requirements
over time.

Problem for us is that they (the Government) come from a position of
strength in that it is easy for them to justify what they want to do by
using the badness on the internet as their argument "We need to license ISPs
so that child molesters are stopped and business practices are maintained'
using examples of the ISPs who have failed and so on.  Many countries do
license ISPs as well... So they have the ammunition... and all we have is a
privacy and freedom argument.


...Skeeve

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On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:03 AM, James Braunegg
<james.braunegg at micron21.com> wrote:
> Fantastic news to wake up to !
>  
> If this law ever does come into play it will be one huge investment in time
> and perhaps money to capture and hold the required information, will be
> interesting to see how Britain deals with this in the coming year.
>  
> Kindest Regards
>  
>  
> James Braunegg
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> Subject: [AusNOG] No Data Retention for ISPs - for now
>  
> 
> Thankfully they have decided to shelve this - for now.
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asios-bid-for-internet-d
> ata-retention-on-hold-20140711-3bslb.html
> 
> ...Skeeve
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