<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div><div><div>Metadata is amazingly useful. It is often actually more valuable than the content itself.</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US">Nick.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US">-------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US">Nick Savvides, </span>Senior Principal Systems Engineer (Security)</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="color: blue; "><a href="mailto:nick_savvides@symantec.com" style="color: purple; ">nick_savvides@symantec.com</a>, </span></span>Mobile: +61 434 600 870</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">Please sponsor me in the 200km charity Ride To Conquer Cancer <span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"><a href="http://ml14.conquercancer.org.au/site/TR/Events/Melbourne2014?px=1282304&pg=personal&fr_id=1141">http://ml14.conquercancer.org.au/site/TR/Events/Melbourne2014?px=1282304&pg=personal&fr_id=1141</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"><br></span></p></div></div></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, 14 July 2014 09:01 <br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> James Braunegg <<a href="mailto:james.braunegg@micron21.com">james.braunegg@micron21.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AusNOG] No Data Retention for ISPs - for now<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thing is... I can't help feeling that any government attempt for data retention could be challenged in the courts.<div><br></div><div>The stupid thing is, they are only proposing a record of the communication, not the communication itself - as another example used, it is keeping a copy of the letters envelope, but not what is inside... how useless in proving anything.</div><div><br></div><div>Should the legislation ever actually come in, the requirements for ISPs to suddenly keep this information would be extremely cost intensive, which is a basis for a challenge in itself.</div><div><br></div><div>If the government was going to succeed doing this, they will need a much longer term approach. If I was them I would introduce ISP licensing, and get everyone to move to it over a few years, then introduce requirements over time.</div><div><br></div><div>Problem for us is that they (the Government) come from a position of strength in that it is easy for them to justify what they want to do by using the badness on the internet as their argument "We need to license ISPs so that child molesters are stopped and business practices are maintained' using examples of the ISPs who have failed and so on. Many countries do license ISPs as well... So they have the ammunition... and all we have is a privacy and freedom argument.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>...Skeeve</div><div><br></div><div><div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve Stevens - </b><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div><div><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px">
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If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer.</span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 14, 2014 2:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] No Data Retention for ISPs - for now<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thankfully they have decided to shelve this - for now.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asios-bid-for-internet-data-retention-on-hold-20140711-3bslb.html" target="_blank">http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asios-bid-for-internet-data-retention-on-hold-20140711-3bslb.html</a><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>...Skeeve<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; <a href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a><span style="color:black"> ; blog: </span><a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><img border="0" src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 0, 127);">The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);">Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 0, 127);"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></span></body></html>