[AusNOG] No Data Retention for ISPs - for now

[Tim Raphael]

A perfect example of incredibly useful Metadata is Netflow - the IP and
high layer details that identify the traffic without actually capturing the
data within the final header.

Tim


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nick Savvides <Nick_Savvides at symantec.com>
wrote:

> Metadata is amazingly useful. It is often actually more valuable than the
> content itself.
>
> Nick.
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> From: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
> Date: Monday, 14 July 2014 09:01
> To: James Braunegg <james.braunegg at micron21.com>
> Cc: "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] No Data Retention for ISPs - for now
>
> Thing is... I can't help feeling that any government attempt for data
> retention could be challenged in the courts.
>
> The stupid thing is, they are only proposing a record of the
> communication, not the communication itself - as another example used, it
> is keeping a copy of the letters envelope, but not what is inside... how
> useless in proving anything.
>
> Should the legislation ever actually come in, the requirements for ISPs to
> suddenly keep this information would be extremely cost intensive, which is
> a basis for a challenge in itself.
>
> If the government was going to succeed doing this, they will need a much
> longer term approach.  If I was them I would introduce ISP licensing, and
> get everyone to move to it over a few years, then introduce requirements
> over time.
>
> Problem for us is that they (the Government) come from a position of
> strength in that it is easy for them to justify what they want to do by
> using the badness on the internet as their argument "We need to license
> ISPs so that child molesters are stopped and business practices are
> maintained' using examples of the ISPs who have failed and so on.  Many
> countries do license ISPs as well... So they have the ammunition... and all
> we have is a privacy and freedom argument.
>
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> ...Skeeve
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> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:03 AM, James Braunegg <
> james.braunegg at micron21.com> wrote:
>
>> Fantastic news to wake up to !
>>
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>> If this law ever does come into play it will be one huge investment in
>> time and perhaps money to capture and hold the required information, will
>> be interesting to see how Britain deals with this in the coming year.
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>> Kindest Regards
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>> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve
>> Stevens
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 2:16 AM
>> *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* [AusNOG] No Data Retention for ISPs - for now
>>
>>
>>
>> Thankfully they have decided to shelve this - for now.
>>
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>> http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asios-bid-for-internet-data-retention-on-hold-20140711-3bslb.html
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>> ...Skeeve
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