[AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs? Getting my foot in the door?

Tue Dec 23 22:48:43 EST 2014

Pffft.

Provided they add that knowledge to their pool they'll be fine.
Understanding Ethernet and STP, along with routing protocols and label
switching, will still be critical.

What value will an OpenFlow "expert" be if they don't understand what's
happening on top of the underlay network? Answer: not much.

What good is a network engineer, right now, that doesn't understand HTTP
and HTTPS? Answer: not much.

Sent from a mobile device. Correct spelling and accurate use of grammar is
unlikely to have occurred.
On 23/12/2014 10:35 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <
skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:

> What will a Cisco./Juniper/etc engineer be worth in 5 years with
> technologies like OpenFlow, Cumulus Linux and many others yet to come....
> not much in my opinion.
>
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> On 23 December 2014 at 17:56, Graeme Allen <gallen at mytelecom.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> At one time they used the word "Legacy" as a weapon against Nortel,
>> Lucent, et al. The thing about empires is they rarely learn from history.
>> What's a Novell certified engineer worth these days?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 December 2014 20:48:42 GMT+11:00, "Andy S." <ciscoarc7 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think they have revamped their CCIE now (version 5) which I am gunning
>>> (slowly) towards.
>>>
>>> One of their bigger change is replacing Frame Relay with DMVPN. Also it
>>> is now virtualised and I read it somewhere according to Cisco, it enables
>>> them to do 20-ish routers (always changing) topology and can make it more
>>> to "real-world".
>>>
>>> This hopefully enough to iron out those textbook CCIEs.
>>>
>>> I just remember one of my mate told a story about one particular CCIE
>>> doing "switchport trunk allowed vlan xxx" instead of "switchport trunk
>>> allowed vlan add xxx" and caused an outage. Companies losing money
>>> (according to him. It's a stock trading company). Though it's weird they
>>> needed more time to address where the issue was.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Michael Wheeler <
>>> michael at michael-wheeler.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hopefully their exam simulation stuff improves. Twice now I've done an
>>>> exam and you do something slightly unexpected that's not covered by the
>>>> text book (but would satisfy the question requirements) and the simulation
>>>> completely breaks. And not in the since of the network stops working, the
>>>> actual simulation software does things that just repeats the same command
>>>> over and over again without letting you enter in any input. Naturally the
>>>> exam moderator where I do my exams doesn't even know how a router is meant
>>>> to react nor knows how to tell Cisco that their sim is faulty so I get a
>>>> failed exam and down a bunch of my own money. In the end I just rote
>>>> memorized the solution off some website command for command so that the
>>>> friggin sim wouldn't crash. Yes I feel dirty doing it that way which is why
>>>> after that cert I haven't done any exams (even though I covered the
>>>> material).
>>>>
>>>> Interested to see the future of network/communications qualifications...
>>>>
>>>> On 23 December 2014 at 17:12, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On the topic, Cisco have identified textbook CCIE’s as an issue, they
>>>>> are in the process of redoing all their certification tests to better align
>>>>> with real world skills, with a lot more simulations and lab tests and a lot
>>>>> less multiple choice etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know the CCNP TSHOOT exam has been redone as all simulation
>>>>> situations with real equipment configurations etc, I know CCNP SWITCH and
>>>>> ROUTE were pending the changeover when I last did any of them (a year ago
>>>>> roughly)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it’s a very good idea and I’m glad that it is happening,
>>>>> certifications are not worth a lot if you can hold one without actually
>>>>> understanding what you have learnt….
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayden Beeson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of
>>>>> *Cameron Ferdinands
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 December 2014 6:05 PM
>>>>> *To:* Skeeve Stevens
>>>>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs?
>>>>> Getting my foot in the door?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's my one of my favourite interview questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Whats your favourite routing protocol?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There only wrong answer is reading a line from a textbook, if you love
>>>>> RIP tell me why you love RIP! What's good about it? What's bad about it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:58, Skeeve Stevens <
>>>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup.. had about a dozen last year.  And then even if they do have good
>>>>> theoretical knowledge, the other thing missing is experience, common sense
>>>>> and product knowledge.  Being a CCIE/NP and not being able to recommend a
>>>>> switch model is annoying (for me).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:54, Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we've all being in that interview (or heard second hand ) with
>>>>> a textbook CCIE and when pressed can't seem to explain the simple things.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> experience is where it's at.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Scott Weeks <surfer at mauigateway.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com wrote:
>>>>> From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I would have a look at real work experience,
>>>>> not certification boot camps..
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish more folks did this instead of starting off
>>>>> interviews with cert-style questions, which seem to
>>>>> only test rote memorization skills.
>>>>>
>>>>> scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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