[AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs? Getting my foot in the door?

Tue Dec 23 23:29:31 EST 2014

Agreed.

I doubt Openflow can troubleshoot or even roll out medium enterprise BGP or
OSPF automatically without a need of an engineer (who knows these routing
protocols, defo).

Interestingly, Skeeve, I slightly remember you posted a Network Engineer
role with a promise to help them get their CCIE. So if your personal view
is that of even CCIE is not worth not much in the next 5 years, how is
helping them get their CCIE provide any benefit for your company?

Obviously I am not having a go at you, just out of curiosity.

Regards,
Andy

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Colin Stubbs <
colin.stubbs at equatetechnologies.com.au> wrote:

> Pffft.
>
> Provided they add that knowledge to their pool they'll be fine.
> Understanding Ethernet and STP, along with routing protocols and label
> switching, will still be critical.
>
> What value will an OpenFlow "expert" be if they don't understand what's
> happening on top of the underlay network? Answer: not much.
>
> What good is a network engineer, right now, that doesn't understand HTTP
> and HTTPS? Answer: not much.
>
>
> Sent from a mobile device. Correct spelling and accurate use of grammar is
> unlikely to have occurred.
> On 23/12/2014 10:35 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> What will a Cisco./Juniper/etc engineer be worth in 5 years with
>> technologies like OpenFlow, Cumulus Linux and many others yet to come....
>> not much in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>
>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>
>> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;  <http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
>> linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>>
>> twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
>>
>>
>> The Experts Who The Experts Call
>> Juniper - Cisco - Cumulus Linux - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering
>>
>> On 23 December 2014 at 17:56, Graeme Allen <gallen at mytelecom.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At one time they used the word "Legacy" as a weapon against Nortel,
>>> Lucent, et al. The thing about empires is they rarely learn from history.
>>> What's a Novell certified engineer worth these days?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 December 2014 20:48:42 GMT+11:00, "Andy S." <ciscoarc7 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think they have revamped their CCIE now (version 5) which I am
>>>> gunning (slowly) towards.
>>>>
>>>> One of their bigger change is replacing Frame Relay with DMVPN. Also it
>>>> is now virtualised and I read it somewhere according to Cisco, it enables
>>>> them to do 20-ish routers (always changing) topology and can make it more
>>>> to "real-world".
>>>>
>>>> This hopefully enough to iron out those textbook CCIEs.
>>>>
>>>> I just remember one of my mate told a story about one particular CCIE
>>>> doing "switchport trunk allowed vlan xxx" instead of "switchport trunk
>>>> allowed vlan add xxx" and caused an outage. Companies losing money
>>>> (according to him. It's a stock trading company). Though it's weird they
>>>> needed more time to address where the issue was.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Michael Wheeler <
>>>> michael at michael-wheeler.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully their exam simulation stuff improves. Twice now I've done an
>>>>> exam and you do something slightly unexpected that's not covered by the
>>>>> text book (but would satisfy the question requirements) and the simulation
>>>>> completely breaks. And not in the since of the network stops working, the
>>>>> actual simulation software does things that just repeats the same command
>>>>> over and over again without letting you enter in any input. Naturally the
>>>>> exam moderator where I do my exams doesn't even know how a router is meant
>>>>> to react nor knows how to tell Cisco that their sim is faulty so I get a
>>>>> failed exam and down a bunch of my own money. In the end I just rote
>>>>> memorized the solution off some website command for command so that the
>>>>> friggin sim wouldn't crash. Yes I feel dirty doing it that way which is why
>>>>> after that cert I haven't done any exams (even though I covered the
>>>>> material).
>>>>>
>>>>> Interested to see the future of network/communications
>>>>> qualifications...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 December 2014 at 17:12, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On the topic, Cisco have identified textbook CCIE’s as an issue, they
>>>>>> are in the process of redoing all their certification tests to better align
>>>>>> with real world skills, with a lot more simulations and lab tests and a lot
>>>>>> less multiple choice etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know the CCNP TSHOOT exam has been redone as all simulation
>>>>>> situations with real equipment configurations etc, I know CCNP SWITCH and
>>>>>> ROUTE were pending the changeover when I last did any of them (a year ago
>>>>>> roughly)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it’s a very good idea and I’m glad that it is happening,
>>>>>> certifications are not worth a lot if you can hold one without actually
>>>>>> understanding what you have learnt….
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden Beeson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf
>>>>>> Of *Cameron Ferdinands
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 December 2014 6:05 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Skeeve Stevens
>>>>>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs?
>>>>>> Getting my foot in the door?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's my one of my favourite interview questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Whats your favourite routing protocol?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There only wrong answer is reading a line from a textbook, if you
>>>>>> love RIP tell me why you love RIP! What's good about it? What's bad about
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:58, Skeeve Stevens <
>>>>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup.. had about a dozen last year.  And then even if they do have
>>>>>> good theoretical knowledge, the other thing missing is experience, common
>>>>>> sense and product knowledge.  Being a CCIE/NP and not being able to
>>>>>> recommend a switch model is annoying (for me).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Juniper - Cisco - Cumulus Linux - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:54, Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we've all being in that interview (or heard second hand )
>>>>>> with a textbook CCIE and when pressed can't seem to explain the simple
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> experience is where it's at.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Scott Weeks <surfer at mauigateway.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com wrote:
>>>>>> From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I would have a look at real work experience,
>>>>>> not certification boot camps..
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish more folks did this instead of starting off
>>>>>> interviews with cert-style questions, which seem to
>>>>>> only test rote memorization skills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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