[AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs? Getting my foot in the door?

[Skeeve Stevens]

What will a Cisco./Juniper/etc engineer be worth in 5 years with
technologies like OpenFlow, Cumulus Linux and many others yet to come....
not much in my opinion.


...Skeeve

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On 23 December 2014 at 17:56, Graeme Allen <gallen at mytelecom.com.au> wrote:

> At one time they used the word "Legacy" as a weapon against Nortel,
> Lucent, et al. The thing about empires is they rarely learn from history.
> What's a Novell certified engineer worth these days?
>
>
>
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> On 23 December 2014 20:48:42 GMT+11:00, "Andy S." <ciscoarc7 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think they have revamped their CCIE now (version 5) which I am gunning
>> (slowly) towards.
>>
>> One of their bigger change is replacing Frame Relay with DMVPN. Also it
>> is now virtualised and I read it somewhere according to Cisco, it enables
>> them to do 20-ish routers (always changing) topology and can make it more
>> to "real-world".
>>
>> This hopefully enough to iron out those textbook CCIEs.
>>
>> I just remember one of my mate told a story about one particular CCIE
>> doing "switchport trunk allowed vlan xxx" instead of "switchport trunk
>> allowed vlan add xxx" and caused an outage. Companies losing money
>> (according to him. It's a stock trading company). Though it's weird they
>> needed more time to address where the issue was.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andy
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Michael Wheeler <
>> michael at michael-wheeler.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully their exam simulation stuff improves. Twice now I've done an
>>> exam and you do something slightly unexpected that's not covered by the
>>> text book (but would satisfy the question requirements) and the simulation
>>> completely breaks. And not in the since of the network stops working, the
>>> actual simulation software does things that just repeats the same command
>>> over and over again without letting you enter in any input. Naturally the
>>> exam moderator where I do my exams doesn't even know how a router is meant
>>> to react nor knows how to tell Cisco that their sim is faulty so I get a
>>> failed exam and down a bunch of my own money. In the end I just rote
>>> memorized the solution off some website command for command so that the
>>> friggin sim wouldn't crash. Yes I feel dirty doing it that way which is why
>>> after that cert I haven't done any exams (even though I covered the
>>> material).
>>>
>>> Interested to see the future of network/communications qualifications...
>>>
>>> On 23 December 2014 at 17:12, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On the topic, Cisco have identified textbook CCIE’s as an issue, they
>>>> are in the process of redoing all their certification tests to better align
>>>> with real world skills, with a lot more simulations and lab tests and a lot
>>>> less multiple choice etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know the CCNP TSHOOT exam has been redone as all simulation
>>>> situations with real equipment configurations etc, I know CCNP SWITCH and
>>>> ROUTE were pending the changeover when I last did any of them (a year ago
>>>> roughly)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it’s a very good idea and I’m glad that it is happening,
>>>> certifications are not worth a lot if you can hold one without actually
>>>> understanding what you have learnt….
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Beeson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Cameron
>>>> Ferdinands
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 December 2014 6:05 PM
>>>> *To:* Skeeve Stevens
>>>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs?
>>>> Getting my foot in the door?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's my one of my favourite interview questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Whats your favourite routing protocol?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There only wrong answer is reading a line from a textbook, if you love
>>>> RIP tell me why you love RIP! What's good about it? What's bad about it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:58, Skeeve Stevens <
>>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yup.. had about a dozen last year.  And then even if they do have good
>>>> theoretical knowledge, the other thing missing is experience, common sense
>>>> and product knowledge.  Being a CCIE/NP and not being able to recommend a
>>>> switch model is annoying (for me).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:54, Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think we've all being in that interview (or heard second hand ) with
>>>> a textbook CCIE and when pressed can't seem to explain the simple things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> experience is where it's at.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Scott Weeks <surfer at mauigateway.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com wrote:
>>>> From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
>>>>
>>>> Then I would have a look at real work experience,
>>>> not certification boot camps..
>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wish more folks did this instead of starting off
>>>> interviews with cert-style questions, which seem to
>>>> only test rote memorization skills.
>>>>
>>>> scott
>>>>
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