<p dir="ltr">Pffft.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Provided they add that knowledge to their pool they'll be fine. Understanding Ethernet and STP, along with routing protocols and label switching, will still be critical. </p>
<p dir="ltr">What value will an OpenFlow "expert" be if they don't understand what's happening on top of the underlay network? Answer: not much.</p>
<p dir="ltr">What good is a network engineer, right now, that doesn't understand HTTP and HTTPS? Answer: not much.<br><br><br></p>
<p dir="ltr">Sent from a mobile device. Correct spelling and accurate use of grammar is unlikely to have occurred.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 23/12/2014 10:35 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">What will a Cisco./Juniper/etc engineer be worth in 5 years with technologies like OpenFlow, Cumulus Linux and many others yet to come....   not much in my opinion.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>...Skeeve</div><div><br></div><div><div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve Stevens - </b><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div><div><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" value="+61414753383" target="_blank">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; <a>skype://skeeve</a></p><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> </p><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> ; blog: </span><a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a><br></p><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><img src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png"><br></p><p style="margin:0px"><span style="color:rgb(127,0,127);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The Experts Who The Experts Call</span></p></font></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(127,0,127)"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">Juniper - Cisco </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- Cumulus Linux - Cloud</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- Consulting</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- IPv4 Brokering</span><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 December 2014 at 17:56, Graeme Allen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gallen@mytelecom.com.au" target="_blank">gallen@mytelecom.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>At one time they used the word "Legacy" as a weapon against Nortel, Lucent, et al. The thing about empires is they rarely learn from history. What's a Novell certified engineer worth these days?<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 December 2014 20:48:42 GMT+11:00, "Andy S." <<a href="mailto:ciscoarc7@gmail.com" target="_blank">ciscoarc7@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I think they have revamped their CCIE now (version 5) which I am gunning (slowly) towards. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">One of their bigger change is replacing Frame Relay with DMVPN. Also it is now virtualised and I read it somewhere according to Cisco, it enables them to do 20-ish routers (always changing) topology and can make it more to "real-world". </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">This hopefully enough to iron out those textbook CCIEs. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I just remember one of my mate told a story about one particular CCIE doing "switchport trunk allowed vlan xxx" instead of "switchport trunk allowed vlan add xxx" and caused an outage. Companies losing money (according to him. It's a stock trading company). Though it's weird they needed more time to address where the issue was. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Andy</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Michael Wheeler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@michael-wheeler.org" target="_blank">michael@michael-wheeler.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hopefully their exam simulation stuff improves. Twice now I've done an exam and you do something slightly unexpected that's not covered by the text book (but would satisfy the question requirements) and the simulation completely breaks. And not in the since of the network stops working, the actual simulation software does things that just repeats the same command over and over again without letting you enter in any input. Naturally the exam moderator where I do my exams doesn't even know how a router is meant to react nor knows how to tell Cisco that their sim is faulty so I get a failed exam and down a bunch of my own money. In the end I just rote memorized the solution off some website command for command so that the friggin sim wouldn't crash. Yes I feel dirty doing it that way which is why after that cert I haven't done any exams (even though I covered the material).<div><br></div><div>Interested to see the future of network/communications qualifications...</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 December 2014 at 17:12, Beeson, Ayden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ABeeson@csu.edu.au" target="_blank">ABeeson@csu.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">On the topic, Cisco have identified textbook CCIE’s as an issue, they are in the process of redoing all their certification tests to better align with real world skills, with a lot more simulations and lab tests and a lot less multiple choice etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I know the CCNP TSHOOT exam has been redone as all simulation situations with real equipment configurations etc, I know CCNP SWITCH and ROUTE were pending the changeover when I last did any of them (a year ago roughly)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think it’s a very good idea and I’m glad that it is happening, certifications are not worth a lot if you can hold one without actually understanding what you have learnt….<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#333333">Ayden Beeson<i> </i></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cameron Ferdinands<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 23 December 2014 6:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens<span><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs? Getting my foot in the door?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">That's my one of my favourite interview questions.<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">"Whats your favourite routing protocol?"<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There only wrong answer is reading a line from a textbook, if you love RIP tell me why you love RIP! What's good about it? What's bad about
it?<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 23 December 2014 at 08:58, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yup.. had about a dozen last year.  And then even if they do have good theoretical knowledge, the other thing missing is experience, common sense and product knowledge.  Being a CCIE/NP and not being able to recommend a switch model is annoying (for me).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>...Skeeve<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>
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a textbook CCIE and when pressed can't seem to explain the simple things.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">experience is where it's at.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Scott Weeks <<a href="mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com" target="_blank">surfer@mauigateway.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>--- <a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a> wrote:<br>From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>><br><br>Then I would have a look at real work experience,<br>not certification boot camps..<br>----------------------------------------------<br><br><br>I wish more folks did this instead of starting off<br>interviews with cert-style questions, which seem to<br>only test rote memorization skills.<br><br>scott<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div>
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