[AusNOG] Charter Change ?

[Mark Foster]

It's lovely to see this group has exactly the same problems as every 
other NOG type list i've been involved with over the years. :-)

The whole point of the value of this (and other NOG) list(s) is:
- That it is technically focused
- That the audience are technically focused
- That it gives you the means to ask for help/comment/critique when you 
aren't sure where else necessarily to turn, or
- That it gives you access to a large audience with a variety of views, 
and we all get to learn a bit along the way.

If you set up another list for the technical focus, the critical mass 
will leave this list and you'll just move the problem.
I think it's more appropriate for the subscribers of this list to accept 
that the technical focus will wander about a bit, and to be tolerant / 
use filters as you wish - and for the moderators to step in from time to 
time, when things get excessive or OTT.
I didn't have a problem with the VyOS questions because I didn't read 
most of that thread. No big deal. :-)

It's also appropriate for people to remember that the list should be 
dealt with professionally; that dirty laundry isn't appropriately aired 
here; and that this is not your ISP helpdesk. If you have a problem with 
your ISP, you talk to them. Not everyone else.
But that said there will be 'network operators' of all sizes and scales; 
I first joined NOG lists whilst still working as a helpdesk'r and learnt 
a lot from reading the NOG, my advice to newbies or those who don't 
operate networks of any substance, is that they should probably be 
reading more, and posting less, and should be gauging the value of any 
post they do make against what the majority of readers are likely to get 
from it.  There are other forums for more generic questions...

NZNOG AUP for reference: http://www.nznog.org/mailing-list

Cheers
Mark.


On 12/12/2014 12:04 p.m., Jacob Gardiner wrote:
> Although the VyOS posts are getting a bit repetitive, I think there’s 
> some value for people who run into a technical issue and come to the 
> group for input, after all there’s a huge amount of experience from 
> the operators on this list and I’d assume the vast majority of people 
> on this list are hands-on.
>
> Maybe it should be considered that a second list is setup for 
> technical questions, and leave this main list as is. If the user 
> decides to post to ausnog for technical support rather than going to a 
> specific product forum (where you’d assume there would be more value), 
> then they can.
>
> -- 
> Jacob Gardiner
> @jacobgardiner <https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner>
>
> On 12 December 2014 at 9:56:35 am, Sam Silvester 
> (sam.silvester at gmail.com <mailto:sam.silvester at gmail.com>) wrote:
>
>> I agree with both Brad's suggested wording, and his view regarding 
>> interpretation.
>>
>> Yes, this place should be welcoming to those from all size networks - 
>> we don't need a silly "must have an AS" rule or the like (NANOG doesn't).
>>
>> But equally I'd like to see it discouraged for posting here when 
>> there are more targeted forums for specific vendors (VyOS forums for 
>> example for basic VyOS questions).


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