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It's lovely to see this group has exactly the same problems as every
other NOG type list i've been involved with over the years. :-)<br>
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The whole point of the value of this (and other NOG) list(s) is:<br>
- That it is technically focused<br>
- That the audience are technically focused<br>
- That it gives you the means to ask for help/comment/critique when
you aren't sure where else necessarily to turn, or<br>
- That it gives you access to a large audience with a variety of
views, and we all get to learn a bit along the way.<br>
<br>
If you set up another list for the technical focus, the critical
mass will leave this list and you'll just move the problem.<br>
I think it's more appropriate for the subscribers of this list to
accept that the technical focus will wander about a bit, and to be
tolerant / use filters as you wish - and for the moderators to step
in from time to time, when things get excessive or OTT.<br>
I didn't have a problem with the VyOS questions because I didn't
read most of that thread. No big deal. :-)<br>
<br>
It's also appropriate for people to remember that the list should be
dealt with professionally; that dirty laundry isn't appropriately
aired here; and that this is not your ISP helpdesk. If you have a
problem with your ISP, you talk to them. Not everyone else.<br>
But that said there will be 'network operators' of all sizes and
scales; I first joined NOG lists whilst still working as a
helpdesk'r and learnt a lot from reading the NOG, my advice to
newbies or those who don't operate networks of any substance, is
that they should probably be reading more, and posting less, and
should be gauging the value of any post they do make against what
the majority of readers are likely to get from it. There are other
forums for more generic questions...<br>
<br>
NZNOG AUP for reference: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nznog.org/mailing-list">http://www.nznog.org/mailing-list</a><br>
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Cheers<br>
Mark.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/12/2014 12:04 p.m., Jacob
Gardiner wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Although the
VyOS posts are getting a bit repetitive, I think there’s some
value for people who run into a technical issue and come to the
group for input, after all there’s a huge amount of experience
from the operators on this list and I’d assume the vast majority
of people on this list are hands-on. </div>
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color:
rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Maybe it
should be considered that a second list is setup for technical
questions, and leave this main list as is. If the user decides
to post to ausnog for technical support rather than going to a
specific product forum (where you’d assume there would be more
value), then they can. </div>
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<div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br>
Jacob Gardiner<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner">@jacobgardiner</a></div>
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<p style="color:#000;">On 12 December 2014 at 9:56:35 am, Sam
Silvester (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam.silvester@gmail.com">sam.silvester@gmail.com</a>)
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<div dir="ltr">I agree with both Brad's suggested wording,
and his
view regarding interpretation.<br>
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Yes, this place should be welcoming to those from all
size networks
- we don't need a silly "must have an AS" rule or the
like (NANOG
doesn't).<br>
<br>
But equally I'd like to see it discouraged for posting
here when
there are more targeted forums for specific vendors
(VyOS forums
for example for basic VyOS questions).<br>
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*snip*<br>
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