[AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention

[thelionroars]

Excellent article in The Guardian by Geordie Guy:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/06/you-want-my-metadata-george-brandis-get-a-warrant

When you can use the metaphor of a panopticon and not be overblown, it's
truly sad.


On 7 August 2014 00:22, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Because an Amazon account has never been hacked and services
> de-provisioned. Also i really dont feel comfortable with my ISP giving my
> sovereign information to an international entity with no legal protections
> for foreigners because of some local law (US constitution only applies to
> US citizens).
>
> --Damian
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Bradley Amm <
> Bradley.Amm at homegroupwa.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Again Amazon Glaicer would be perfect for that purpose "Does it need to
>> be backed up / Diverse / SLA ? ? What if it's hacked ?   Can I go to jail
>> because ASIO want's something from 1.5 years ago and I go to get it and the
>> disk's died."
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Bradley Amm
>> 11 Delawney St Balcatta WA 6021
>> P 08 6241 4404 F 6241 4455 M 0448 815 710
>> W www.homegroupwa.com.au
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matt
>> Perkins
>> Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2014 1:31 PM
>> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention
>>
>> Im with Ross on this one. Let's give them a mirror port and they can make
>> their own arrangement's the cost of this to most at the egress points would
>> be minimal I would think.
>>
>> Then <insert new agency> would need to build fiber to every ISP   and
>> store it all. When the government say. We cant do that it's to expensive.
>> Then they have made their own argument for why we cant do it .
>>
>> Case solved.
>>
>> I also wonder what the penalties are for loosing all this data. Does it
>> need to be backed up / Diverse / SLA ? ? What if it's hacked ?   Can I
>> go to jail because ASIO want's something from 1.5 years ago and I go to
>> get it and the disk's died. ?
>>
>> Matt.
>>
>>
>>
>>   On 6/08/2014 1:38 pm, Ross Wheeler wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> So i see they keep saying data will be held for 2 years, does this
>> >> include full url history as well? Because in the UK they went for
>> >> just 4 days retention, presumably because of the absurd amount of
>> >> data that would mean they would have to collect. Anyone have any idea
>> >> how much data that would be? I suspect it is a great time to be a
>> >> storage vendor.
>> >
>> > I wonder how we'd go... if we told 'em to "provide us an ethernet port
>> > where we just squirt the data to" and let them concern themselves with
>> > the cost and logistics of providing the bandwidth and storage.
>> >
>> > If they under-provision and lose data: problem belong them.
>> > If they have storage problems: problem belong them.
>> > If they have equipment breakdowns: problem belong them.
>> > If they can't read data due to encryption: problem belong them.
>> >
>> > Sell it to them on the grounds that they'd have the data in (near)
>> > real-time.
>> >
>> > (Not that I agree with or support this nonsense idea in any way, shape
>> > or form to begin with... just looking for a way for them to realise
>> > themselves the enormity and futility of the task)
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