<div dir="ltr"><div>Excellent article in The Guardian by Geordie Guy: <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/06/you-want-my-metadata-george-brandis-get-a-warrant">http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/06/you-want-my-metadata-george-brandis-get-a-warrant</a><br>
<br></div>When you can use the metaphor of a panopticon and not be overblown, it's truly sad.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 August 2014 00:22, Damian Guppy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com" target="_blank">the.damo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Because an Amazon account has never been hacked and services de-provisioned. Also i really dont feel comfortable with my ISP giving my sovereign information to an international entity with no legal protections for foreigners because of some local law (US constitution only applies to US citizens).<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div>--Damian</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Bradley Amm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Bradley.Amm@homegroupwa.com.au" target="_blank">Bradley.Amm@homegroupwa.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Again Amazon Glaicer would be perfect for that purpose "Does it need to be backed up / Diverse / SLA ? ? What if it's hacked ? Can I go to jail because ASIO want's something from 1.5 years ago and I go to get it and the disk's died."<br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention<br>
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</div><div><div>Im with Ross on this one. Let's give them a mirror port and they can make their own arrangement's the cost of this to most at the egress points would be minimal I would think.<br>
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Then <insert new agency> would need to build fiber to every ISP and<br>
store it all. When the government say. We cant do that it's to expensive. Then they have made their own argument for why we cant do it .<br>
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Case solved.<br>
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I also wonder what the penalties are for loosing all this data. Does it<br>
need to be backed up / Diverse / SLA ? ? What if it's hacked ? Can I<br>
go to jail because ASIO want's something from 1.5 years ago and I go to get it and the disk's died. ?<br>
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Matt.<br>
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On 6/08/2014 1:38 pm, Ross Wheeler wrote:<br>
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>> So i see they keep saying data will be held for 2 years, does this<br>
>> include full url history as well? Because in the UK they went for<br>
>> just 4 days retention, presumably because of the absurd amount of<br>
>> data that would mean they would have to collect. Anyone have any idea<br>
>> how much data that would be? I suspect it is a great time to be a<br>
>> storage vendor.<br>
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> I wonder how we'd go... if we told 'em to "provide us an ethernet port<br>
> where we just squirt the data to" and let them concern themselves with<br>
> the cost and logistics of providing the bandwidth and storage.<br>
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> If they under-provision and lose data: problem belong them.<br>
> If they have storage problems: problem belong them.<br>
> If they have equipment breakdowns: problem belong them.<br>
> If they can't read data due to encryption: problem belong them.<br>
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> Sell it to them on the grounds that they'd have the data in (near)<br>
> real-time.<br>
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> (Not that I agree with or support this nonsense idea in any way, shape<br>
> or form to begin with... just looking for a way for them to realise<br>
> themselves the enormity and futility of the task)<br>
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