[AusNOG] Deciding on Juniper vs. Brocade

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On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Kurt Bales <kwbales at kwbales.net> wrote:

> I would strongly suggest using EX4300 where you have the choice and the
> feature set isn't going to be a hard limitation today.
>
> You can compare features using the following two links:
>  - Standalone:
> www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics/concept/ex-series-software-features-overview.html
>  - Virtual Chassis -
> www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics/concept/ex-series-software-features-overview-vc.html
>
> The EX4300 is a better long term investment given the direction the
> Juniper switching division is heading, even considering the short term
> increase in buy price compared to EX4200.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kurt Bales
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Christopher Pollock <
> chris at ionetworks.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Negative, red six.  Check the spec sheets closely, there are some
>> noteable weaknesses.  Also the 42 can VCP over fibre ports if you have
>> them.  Pricing is usually better for the 42 as well.
>>
>> I say this as someone who sells these things, and wants to sell you as
>> much as possible.. you're probably better off with the cheaper one.  We
>> sell a metric eff-tonne of 4200s and very few 43s.  It all depends on use
>> case and what features you need as IIRC the advanced feature license
>> enables different things and different features come on standard.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 5 August 2014, Peter Childs <pchilds at staff.iinet.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  At a glance the EX4300 appears better in terms of everything
>>> (including value) than EX4200 ?    Am I missing something?
>>>
>>>  (it appears ex4300 can not 'virtual chassis it with ex4200 devices, if
>>> that is important ..)
>>>
>>>  Be interesting in anyone's opinion that has 4300's in the field.
>>>
>>>   From: Christopher Pollock <chris at ionetworks.com.au>
>>> Date: Tuesday, 5 August 2014 3:12 pm
>>> To: Tom Storey <tom at snnap.net>
>>> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Deciding on Juniper vs. Brocade
>>>
>>>   Hi Rhys,
>>>
>>>  Any reason you're looking at the EX3300/EX4300 over the 32/4200?  You
>>> may find them better value/featureset for your dollar.
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher Pollock,
>>> io Networks Pty Ltd.
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Tom Storey <tom at snnap.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In my own personal experience, the Brocade CLI is Cisco like, but
>>>> annoyingly nothing like it. Sometimes what you instinctively think you
>>>> should be able to do, you cant. You cant assume a book has the same
>>>> contents based on its cover in this particular scenario, but I guess
>>>> like any other vendor its just a matter of learning the differences.
>>>>
>>>> On 30 July 2014 18:27, Andy Davidson <andy at nosignal.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On 30 Jul 2014, at 04:15, Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I'm looking for people's recommendations that could be given to pick
>>>> one over the other, as I'm having a tough time deciding. Based on the
>>>> technical specs, and feature listings of both sets of hardware, I can't
>>>> find a major technical reason to pick one over the other - they are mostly
>>>> pretty closely matched for what we need. So I'm more focused on trying to
>>>> find out what people's experiences are generally, so I can get a "safety in
>>>> numbers" sort of approach.
>>>> >
>>>> > We took 5 vendors through to a detailed drill down when we built the
>>>> 100% fully automated wholesale carrier at www.allegro.net and Juniper
>>>> had the most complete automation/api, so we went with those guys.  It’s
>>>> good stuff.  We use netconf over ssh rather than their orchestration
>>>> abstraction stuff (like Space) but I like it.
>>>> >
>>>> > Software reliability (we’re nowhere near bleeding edge) is good,
>>>> hardware reliability is acceptable.
>>>> >
>>>> > Andy
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>> --
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>> m. 0410 747 765
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