[AusNOG] Deciding on Juniper vs. Brocade

Tue Aug 5 16:58:37 EST 2014

Yes, I work on the team responsible for the switching products, but this
statement above was purely based on the public facts.

As the EX4300 is based on a chip from the Broadcom family, it plays with
our EX4600 and QFX5100 strategies.
 - EX4300 can Virtual Chassis Fabric with a QFX5100 in the Data Centre
 - EX4300 will Virtual Chassis with an EX4600 (Post-FRS) in the Campus

The EX4300 is part of our longer term vision for switching in both Data
Center and Campus scenarios

</sales_pitch reason="I dont get commission">

Regards,

Kurt Bales

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:

> And for those who don't know... Kurt now works at is now a Senior Data
> Centre Engineer at Juniper in Sunnyvale.... so I would suggest he knows
> what is happening :)
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> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Kurt Bales <kwbales at kwbales.net> wrote:
>
>> I would strongly suggest using EX4300 where you have the choice and the
>> feature set isn't going to be a hard limitation today.
>>
>> You can compare features using the following two links:
>>  - Standalone:
>> www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics/concept/ex-series-software-features-overview.html
>>  - Virtual Chassis -
>> www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics/concept/ex-series-software-features-overview-vc.html
>>
>> The EX4300 is a better long term investment given the direction the
>> Juniper switching division is heading, even considering the short term
>> increase in buy price compared to EX4200.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kurt Bales
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Christopher Pollock <
>> chris at ionetworks.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Negative, red six.  Check the spec sheets closely, there are some
>>> noteable weaknesses.  Also the 42 can VCP over fibre ports if you have
>>> them.  Pricing is usually better for the 42 as well.
>>>
>>> I say this as someone who sells these things, and wants to sell you as
>>> much as possible.. you're probably better off with the cheaper one.  We
>>> sell a metric eff-tonne of 4200s and very few 43s.  It all depends on use
>>> case and what features you need as IIRC the advanced feature license
>>> enables different things and different features come on standard.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 5 August 2014, Peter Childs <pchilds at staff.iinet.net.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  At a glance the EX4300 appears better in terms of everything
>>>> (including value) than EX4200 ?    Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>>  (it appears ex4300 can not 'virtual chassis it with ex4200 devices,
>>>> if that is important ..)
>>>>
>>>>  Be interesting in anyone's opinion that has 4300's in the field.
>>>>
>>>>   From: Christopher Pollock <chris at ionetworks.com.au>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, 5 August 2014 3:12 pm
>>>> To: Tom Storey <tom at snnap.net>
>>>> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Deciding on Juniper vs. Brocade
>>>>
>>>>   Hi Rhys,
>>>>
>>>>  Any reason you're looking at the EX3300/EX4300 over the 32/4200?  You
>>>> may find them better value/featureset for your dollar.
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher Pollock,
>>>> io Networks Pty Ltd.
>>>> e. chris at ionetworks.com.au
>>>> p. 1300 1 2 4 8 16
>>>> d. 07 3188 7588
>>>> m. 0410 747 765
>>>> skype: christopherpollock
>>>> twitter.com/chrisionetworks
>>>>  http://www.ionetworks.com.au
>>>> In-house, Outsourced.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Tom Storey <tom at snnap.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In my own personal experience, the Brocade CLI is Cisco like, but
>>>>> annoyingly nothing like it. Sometimes what you instinctively think you
>>>>> should be able to do, you cant. You cant assume a book has the same
>>>>> contents based on its cover in this particular scenario, but I guess
>>>>> like any other vendor its just a matter of learning the differences.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 July 2014 18:27, Andy Davidson <andy at nosignal.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 30 Jul 2014, at 04:15, Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I'm looking for people's recommendations that could be given to
>>>>> pick one over the other, as I'm having a tough time deciding. Based on the
>>>>> technical specs, and feature listings of both sets of hardware, I can't
>>>>> find a major technical reason to pick one over the other - they are mostly
>>>>> pretty closely matched for what we need. So I'm more focused on trying to
>>>>> find out what people's experiences are generally, so I can get a "safety in
>>>>> numbers" sort of approach.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We took 5 vendors through to a detailed drill down when we built the
>>>>> 100% fully automated wholesale carrier at www.allegro.net and Juniper
>>>>> had the most complete automation/api, so we went with those guys.  It’s
>>>>> good stuff.  We use netconf over ssh rather than their orchestration
>>>>> abstraction stuff (like Space) but I like it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Software reliability (we’re nowhere near bleeding edge) is good,
>>>>> hardware reliability is acceptable.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Andy
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