[AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?

Tue Oct 15 18:27:50 EST 2013

Hey Joe,

At the moment it looks like Megaport is still working out their pricing.

Last week they were $500 for peering and $250 for VxC access.

They've now changed it to $500 which now includes both... yah.

...Skeeve

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On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:23 PM, <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Skeeve,
>
>  If a person requests dual physical connections into MP fabric, I would
> hope MP would come to the party with a 'standby' cost of that second one.
> Obviously the Cross Connect cost is still on the connecting party in their
> relevant DC, but unless both connections are being used for aggregation, I
> would hope not to have to buy 2 lots of everything and have special pricing
> for the standby physical link.
>
>  Also - if you don't want the IX it seems you might only have to pay $200
> for just VxC fabric activation, if you are really trying to keep those
> costs down.
>
>  Time will tell, as Bevan and the team release more info on pricing and
> options. It is definitely an interesting concept.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> On 2013-10-15 17:40, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
>> Brad,
>>
>> As much as I appreciate what many of the DC providers have to offer...
>> some of the cross-connect pricing is just extortion, and I have no
>> sympathy sorry.
>>
>> But, you need to remember here... you will still need the initial 10Gb
>> cross-connect (or dual), plus your $500 (or dual) into Megaport....
>> you have to be getting value from the multiple savings on the physical
>> X-connects, the peering, and access to the offerings on VxC.
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Brad Evans <brad at delion.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  So I remove my 10x cross connects and replace it with 1. That is
>>> lost revenue, quite a bit.
>>>
>>> Sure, in reality it may not be that extreme, but it's no doubt
>>> going to cut into a pretty high margin product.
>>>
>>> -Brad
>>>
>>> On 15/10/2013 5:26 PM, Daniel Watson wrote:
>>>
>>> Reading over this thread throughout the day, it seems to me that
>>> people are forgetting that you still need the cross connect within
>>> the DC to get connected to MegaPort's switching within the DC, so
>>> you would still have to pay that $225/month or what ever fees you
>>> have worked out with the DC in question.
>>>
>>> D.
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>> FROM: AusNOG [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.**net<ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]
>>> on behalf of Brad
>>> Evans [brad at delion.com.au]
>>> SENT: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:21 PM
>>> TO: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> SUBJECT: Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
>>>
>>> I'm curious how the datacenters feel about potentially losing all
>>> this cross connect revenue.  It has to be a pretty fair chunk of
>>> their profit.  We all know that it doesn't cost $225/month (>$8k
>>> over 3 years) for 50m of fibre to sit in a tray, but we know that
>>> that 10Kva of redundant, protected power and cooling is worth every
>>> cent we pay for it.
>>>
>>> I think Macca raised a reasonable point... everything on 1 physical
>>> port is crazy.  But everyone else has made the obvious conclusion
>>> that Megaport[S] open up some fantastic options for us all.
>>> How exactly does the service work if we take 2 ports? Are they
>>> aggregated or active/standby ? Is it the same cost to take up the
>>> 2nd port?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> -Brad
>>>
>>> On 15/10/2013 5:10 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Brent,
>>>
>>> I don't think it removes the cost of cross-connects, but it
>>> certainly makes it a hell of a lot cheaper.
>>>
>>> From what one of the guys at MP told me, intra-dc will be
>>> $100/mth... which when you look at places like Equinix which does
>>> Fibre at $290/mth - this will essentially third that for permanent
>>> connections.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure of the final numbers, but Bevan mentioned $20/day (as
>>> opposed to $200/mth) if you only want a short term connection up and
>>> running.
>>>
>>> The trick here will be for Megaport to automate this so smoothly
>>> that VxC's are brought online VERY quickly.. perhaps even have
>>> non-active pre-provisioned ones (with VLAN's, etc) between two
>>> points, ready to come up at a moments notice.
>>>
>>> The datacentres these Cross-Connect fee savings will help massively
>>> will be places like Globalswitch with their insane install costs,
>>> ongoing monthlies and maze of suites run by different people with
>>> different rules.
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Brent Paddon
>>> <brent.paddon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Absolutely.  To be honest I see it as just another crossconnect -
>>> we already have a number of customers in both GS and Equinix
>>> directly connected.  This will just make it a bit easier (removing
>>> cost of internal xconnects) and make it easier for us to sell (and
>>> buy from) others in DC's that we dont have a current presence in (eg
>>> S1, etc).  Bring it on I say :)
>>>
>>> Bevan disrupting the status quo (his specialty I think) ... :)
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>>> <skeeve+ausnog@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Brent,
>>>
>>> You guys going to offer any of your products on Megaport VxC?
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Brent Paddon
>>> <brent.paddon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Its certainly going to change the way we all buy (and sell) services
>>> to each other.  Definitely going to break down the current somewhat
>>> high inter-DC connectivity costs.
>>>
>>> I think the model that they've come up with is a winner and I'd be
>>> awfully surprised if there isn't a significant amount of traffic
>>> (mainly on the VXC's) pretty shortly...as soon as the rollout has
>>> reached that critical mass.
>>>
>>> I expect to see a LOT more connectivity between people (especially
>>> for those selling aggregation ports / last-mile access products),
>>> transit, cloudy stuff, etc.  The current pain-in-arse of being in
>>> different DC's is pretty much going to go away.  Heck, we all know
>>> what the cost of cross-connects _inside_ DC's is like at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>> I also think that forcing people to go 10G is a smart move.
>>>
>>> We have our testing port up and running in Equinix - but yet to do
>>> any VXCs.   Hopefully bringing on a Brisbane port shortly.
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
>>> Brent Paddon
>>> Director
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>>> <skeeve+ausnog@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Macca,
>>>
>>> I know you say unaffiliated, but I also know this product of
>>> Megaport directly competes with Vocus fibre to a certain degree.
>>>
>>> Let's be honest... we're not talking running things over peering
>>> here... I really don't see any quality difference running a VLAN
>>> over layer 2 Vocus/AAPT/Pipe/others and Megaport...   sounds more
>>> like a scare tactic to be honest.  Unless you have insight that you
>>> would like to share (honestly, I'd like to know)
>>>
>>> If we are talking dark vs. layer 2, then I would agree.... but I am
>>> also not suggesting everyone run absolutely everything over one
>>> Megaport connection... go dual feeds if you want.. I am sure they'd
>>> sell it.  But... I see something interesting here, and I see it as
>>> the future of how inter-dc connections will be one - whether it is
>>> Megaport, or Vocus or Pipe get in on the game too... I see it as a
>>> great idea.
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, McDonald Richards
>>> <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.**au <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All my mission critical services on the one physical port and
>>> cabling? I can't wait!
>>>
>>> Macca
>>> (unaffiliated in this context)
>>>
>>> On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"
>>> <skeeve+ausnog@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK all,
>>>
>>> The time is arriving for DC-Virtual Cross-Connects to become a
>>> useful part of our ISP lives.
>>>
>>> Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre providers who choose to
>>> replicate the model, the Megaport one is what we've got at the
>>> moment, and we might as well start using it.
>>>
>>> I've been having a few discussions with people about buying
>>> connectivity (not just transit) over the Megaport VxC fabric, but I
>>> am not sure if anyone out there has productised the selling of
>>> products over the VxC fabric.
>>>
>>> I know people like Amazon AWS will now allow you to connect to them
>>> over Megaport with a Direct Connect... and that is great.
>>>
>>> What I am looking for are some transit providers who are on, or
>>> getting on Megaport, who will sell either Transit or Wholesale
>>> services over the fabric.
>>>
>>> I was at an event recently, when Jason Ashton said that he was
>>> willing to do BigAir wholesale interconnects over Megaport - and
>>> that is an awesome start.  What I would love to see is people like
>>> AAPT, iSeek, M2 and others be able to sell more wholesale tails over
>>> this fabric.
>>>
>>> Transit should be an easy one. for $200 intrastate between any
>>> connected DC's, with capacity up to the connection of your pipe
>>> (10Gb or 100Gb), I see people selling transit as a no-brainer.
>>>
>>> If you are doing this and want to announce it here, awesome... or
>>> if you don't want to announce yet, but happy to let me know - I will
>>> keep it quiet until you are ready to announce it.
>>>
>>> Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX, Equinix Peering - have you
>>> thought of connecting to Megaport for the VxC, so people can
>>> actually use the Megaport fabric to get onto your IX as well?
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
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