[AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
joe at apcs.com.au
joe at apcs.com.au
Tue Oct 15 18:23:40 EST 2013
Hi Skeeve,
If a person requests dual physical connections into MP fabric, I would
hope MP would come to the party with a 'standby' cost of that second
one. Obviously the Cross Connect cost is still on the connecting party
in their relevant DC, but unless both connections are being used for
aggregation, I would hope not to have to buy 2 lots of everything and
have special pricing for the standby physical link.
Also - if you don't want the IX it seems you might only have to pay
$200 for just VxC fabric activation, if you are really trying to keep
those costs down.
Time will tell, as Bevan and the team release more info on pricing and
options. It is definitely an interesting concept.
Thanks,
Joe
On 2013-10-15 17:40, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> Brad,
>
> As much as I appreciate what many of the DC providers have to offer...
> some of the cross-connect pricing is just extortion, and I have no
> sympathy sorry.
>
> But, you need to remember here... you will still need the initial 10Gb
> cross-connect (or dual), plus your $500 (or dual) into Megaport....
> you have to be getting value from the multiple savings on the physical
> X-connects, the peering, and access to the offerings on VxC.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Brad Evans <brad at delion.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> So I remove my 10x cross connects and replace it with 1. That is
>> lost revenue, quite a bit.
>>
>> Sure, in reality it may not be that extreme, but it's no doubt
>> going to cut into a pretty high margin product.
>>
>> -Brad
>>
>> On 15/10/2013 5:26 PM, Daniel Watson wrote:
>>
>> Reading over this thread throughout the day, it seems to me that
>> people are forgetting that you still need the cross connect within
>> the DC to get connected to MegaPort's switching within the DC, so
>> you would still have to pay that $225/month or what ever fees you
>> have worked out with the DC in question.
>>
>> D.
>>
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>> FROM: AusNOG [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] on behalf of Brad
>> Evans [brad at delion.com.au]
>> SENT: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:21 PM
>> TO: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> SUBJECT: Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
>>
>> I'm curious how the datacenters feel about potentially losing all
>> this cross connect revenue. It has to be a pretty fair chunk of
>> their profit. We all know that it doesn't cost $225/month (>$8k
>> over 3 years) for 50m of fibre to sit in a tray, but we know that
>> that 10Kva of redundant, protected power and cooling is worth every
>> cent we pay for it.
>>
>> I think Macca raised a reasonable point... everything on 1 physical
>> port is crazy. But everyone else has made the obvious conclusion
>> that Megaport[S] open up some fantastic options for us all.
>> How exactly does the service work if we take 2 ports? Are they
>> aggregated or active/standby ? Is it the same cost to take up the
>> 2nd port?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> -Brad
>>
>> On 15/10/2013 5:10 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>
>> Hey Brent,
>>
>> I don't think it removes the cost of cross-connects, but it
>> certainly makes it a hell of a lot cheaper.
>>
>> From what one of the guys at MP told me, intra-dc will be
>> $100/mth... which when you look at places like Equinix which does
>> Fibre at $290/mth - this will essentially third that for permanent
>> connections.
>>
>> I'm not sure of the final numbers, but Bevan mentioned $20/day (as
>> opposed to $200/mth) if you only want a short term connection up and
>> running.
>>
>> The trick here will be for Megaport to automate this so smoothly
>> that VxC's are brought online VERY quickly.. perhaps even have
>> non-active pre-provisioned ones (with VLAN's, etc) between two
>> points, ready to come up at a moments notice.
>>
>> The datacentres these Cross-Connect fee savings will help massively
>> will be places like Globalswitch with their insane install costs,
>> ongoing monthlies and maze of suites run by different people with
>> different rules.
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Brent Paddon
>> <brent.paddon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Absolutely. To be honest I see it as just another crossconnect -
>> we already have a number of customers in both GS and Equinix
>> directly connected. This will just make it a bit easier (removing
>> cost of internal xconnects) and make it easier for us to sell (and
>> buy from) others in DC's that we dont have a current presence in (eg
>> S1, etc). Bring it on I say :)
>>
>> Bevan disrupting the status quo (his specialty I think) ... :)
>>
>> Brent
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> Brent,
>>
>> You guys going to offer any of your products on Megaport VxC?
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>> SKEEVE STEVENS - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Brent Paddon
>> <brent.paddon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Its certainly going to change the way we all buy (and sell) services
>> to each other. Definitely going to break down the current somewhat
>> high inter-DC connectivity costs.
>>
>> I think the model that they've come up with is a winner and I'd be
>> awfully surprised if there isn't a significant amount of traffic
>> (mainly on the VXC's) pretty shortly...as soon as the rollout has
>> reached that critical mass.
>>
>> I expect to see a LOT more connectivity between people (especially
>> for those selling aggregation ports / last-mile access products),
>> transit, cloudy stuff, etc. The current pain-in-arse of being in
>> different DC's is pretty much going to go away. Heck, we all know
>> what the cost of cross-connects _inside_ DC's is like at the moment.
>>
>>
>> I also think that forcing people to go 10G is a smart move.
>>
>> We have our testing port up and running in Equinix - but yet to do
>> any VXCs. Hopefully bringing on a Brisbane port shortly.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> Brent Paddon
>> Director
>>
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>>
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>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Macca,
>>
>> I know you say unaffiliated, but I also know this product of
>> Megaport directly competes with Vocus fibre to a certain degree.
>>
>> Let's be honest... we're not talking running things over peering
>> here... I really don't see any quality difference running a VLAN
>> over layer 2 Vocus/AAPT/Pipe/others and Megaport... sounds more
>> like a scare tactic to be honest. Unless you have insight that you
>> would like to share (honestly, I'd like to know)
>>
>> If we are talking dark vs. layer 2, then I would agree.... but I am
>> also not suggesting everyone run absolutely everything over one
>> Megaport connection... go dual feeds if you want.. I am sure they'd
>> sell it. But... I see something interesting here, and I see it as
>> the future of how inter-dc connections will be one - whether it is
>> Megaport, or Vocus or Pipe get in on the game too... I see it as a
>> great idea.
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>> SKEEVE STEVENS - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, McDonald Richards
>> <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> All my mission critical services on the one physical port and
>> cabling? I can't wait!
>>
>> Macca
>> (unaffiliated in this context)
>>
>> On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK all,
>>
>> The time is arriving for DC-Virtual Cross-Connects to become a
>> useful part of our ISP lives.
>>
>> Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre providers who choose to
>> replicate the model, the Megaport one is what we've got at the
>> moment, and we might as well start using it.
>>
>> I've been having a few discussions with people about buying
>> connectivity (not just transit) over the Megaport VxC fabric, but I
>> am not sure if anyone out there has productised the selling of
>> products over the VxC fabric.
>>
>> I know people like Amazon AWS will now allow you to connect to them
>> over Megaport with a Direct Connect... and that is great.
>>
>> What I am looking for are some transit providers who are on, or
>> getting on Megaport, who will sell either Transit or Wholesale
>> services over the fabric.
>>
>> I was at an event recently, when Jason Ashton said that he was
>> willing to do BigAir wholesale interconnects over Megaport - and
>> that is an awesome start. What I would love to see is people like
>> AAPT, iSeek, M2 and others be able to sell more wholesale tails over
>> this fabric.
>>
>> Transit should be an easy one. for $200 intrastate between any
>> connected DC's, with capacity up to the connection of your pipe
>> (10Gb or 100Gb), I see people selling transit as a no-brainer.
>>
>> If you are doing this and want to announce it here, awesome... or
>> if you don't want to announce yet, but happy to let me know - I will
>> keep it quiet until you are ready to announce it.
>>
>> Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX, Equinix Peering - have you
>> thought of connecting to Megaport for the VxC, so people can
>> actually use the Megaport fabric to get onto your IX as well?
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>> SKEEVE STEVENS - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>
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