[AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?

Brent Paddon brent.paddon at gmail.com
Tue Oct 15 17:36:49 EST 2013 

Sure - but this is much better than 5, 10, 20, 30 crossconnects?...

And on Skeeve's point - sure $100 intra and $200 inter DC - might as well
treat that as $0 in comparison to the cost of running a Gig-E or Dark
between sites, especially when the value of the services running over it
will easily outpace $100 or $200 spend.

Brent


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Daniel Watson <daniel at glovine.com.au>wrote:

>  Reading over this thread throughout the day, it seems to me that people
> are forgetting that you still need the cross connect within the DC to get
> connected to MegaPort's switching within the DC, so you would still have to
> pay that $225/month or what ever fees you have worked out with the DC in
> question.
>
>  D.
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> *From:* AusNOG [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] on behalf of Brad Evans [
> brad at delion.com.au]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:21 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
>
>  I'm curious how the datacenters feel about potentially losing all this
> cross connect revenue.  It has to be a pretty fair chunk of their profit.
> We all know that it doesn't cost $225/month (>$8k over 3 years) for 50m of
> fibre to sit in a tray, but we know that that 10Kva of redundant, protected
> power and cooling is worth every cent we pay for it.
>
> I think Macca raised a reasonable point... everything on 1 physical port
> is crazy.  But everyone else has made the obvious conclusion that
> Megaport[S] open up some fantastic options for us all.    How exactly does
> the service work if we take 2 ports? Are they aggregated or active/standby
> ? Is it the same cost to take up the 2nd port?
>
> Cheers
>
> -Brad
>
>
> On 15/10/2013 5:10 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
> Hey Brent,
>
>  I don't think it removes the cost of cross-connects, but it certainly
> makes it a hell of a lot cheaper.
>
>  From what one of the guys at MP told me, intra-dc will be $100/mth...
> which when you look at places like Equinix which does Fibre at $290/mth -
> this will essentially third that for permanent connections.
>
>  I'm not sure of the final numbers, but Bevan mentioned $20/day (as
> opposed to $200/mth) if you only want a short term connection up and
> running.
>
>  The trick here will be for Megaport to automate this so smoothly that
> VxC's are brought online VERY quickly.. perhaps even have non-active
> pre-provisioned ones (with VLAN's, etc) between two points, ready to come
> up at a moments notice.
>
>  The datacentres these Cross-Connect fee savings will help massively will
> be places like Globalswitch with their insane install costs, ongoing
> monthlies and maze of suites run by different people with different rules.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>  *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Brent Paddon <brent.paddon at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Absolutely.  To be honest I see it as just another crossconnect - we
>> already have a number of customers in both GS and Equinix directly
>> connected.  This will just make it a bit easier (removing cost of internal
>> xconnects) and make it easier for us to sell (and buy from) others in DC's
>> that we dont have a current presence in (eg S1, etc).  Bring it on I say :)
>>
>>  Bevan disrupting the status quo (his specialty I think) ... :)
>>
>>  Brent
>>
>> Brent Paddon
>> Director
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Brent,
>>>
>>>  You guys going to offer any of your products on Megaport VxC?
>>>
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>   On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Brent Paddon <brent.paddon at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Its certainly going to change the way we all buy (and sell) services to
>>>> each other.  Definitely going to break down the current somewhat high
>>>> inter-DC connectivity costs.
>>>>
>>>>  I think the model that they've come up with is a winner and I'd be
>>>> awfully surprised if there isn't a significant amount of traffic (mainly on
>>>> the VXC's) pretty shortly...as soon as the rollout has reached that
>>>> critical mass.
>>>>
>>>>  I expect to see a LOT more connectivity between people (especially
>>>> for those selling aggregation ports / last-mile access products), transit,
>>>> cloudy stuff, etc.  The current pain-in-arse of being in different DC's is
>>>> pretty much going to go away.  Heck, we all know what the cost of
>>>> cross-connects _inside_ DC's is like at the moment.
>>>>
>>>>  I also think that forcing people to go 10G is a smart move.
>>>>
>>>>  We have our testing port up and running in Equinix - but yet to do
>>>> any VXCs.   Hopefully bringing on a Brisbane port shortly.
>>>>
>>>>  Brent
>>>>
>>>> Brent Paddon
>>>> Director
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
>>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Macca,
>>>>>
>>>>>  I know you say unaffiliated, but I also know this product of
>>>>> Megaport directly competes with Vocus fibre to a certain degree.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Let's be honest... we're not talking running things over peering
>>>>> here... I really don't see any quality difference running a VLAN over layer
>>>>> 2 Vocus/AAPT/Pipe/others and Megaport...   sounds more like a scare tactic
>>>>> to be honest.  Unless you have insight that you would like to share
>>>>> (honestly, I'd like to know)
>>>>>
>>>>>  If we are talking dark vs. layer 2, then I would agree.... but I am
>>>>> also not suggesting everyone run absolutely everything over one Megaport
>>>>> connection... go dual feeds if you want.. I am sure they'd sell it.  But...
>>>>> I see something interesting here, and I see it as the future of how
>>>>> inter-dc connections will be one - whether it is Megaport, or Vocus or Pipe
>>>>> get in on the game too... I see it as a great idea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>>
>>>>>  *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>>  skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>   On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, McDonald Richards <
>>>>> McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  All my mission critical services on the one physical port and
>>>>>> cabling? I can't wait!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Macca
>>>>>> (unaffiliated in this context)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens" <
>>>>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   OK all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The time is arriving for DC-Virtual Cross-Connects to become a
>>>>>> useful part of our ISP lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre providers who choose to
>>>>>> replicate the model, the Megaport one is what we've got at the moment, and
>>>>>> we might as well start using it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I've been having a few discussions with people about buying
>>>>>> connectivity (not just transit) over the Megaport VxC fabric, but I am not
>>>>>> sure if anyone out there has productised the selling of products over the
>>>>>> VxC fabric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I know people like Amazon AWS will now allow you to connect to them
>>>>>> over Megaport with a Direct Connect... and that is great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  What I am looking for are some transit providers who are on, or
>>>>>> getting on Megaport, who will sell either Transit or Wholesale services
>>>>>> over the fabric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I was at an event recently, when Jason Ashton said that he was
>>>>>> willing to do BigAir wholesale interconnects over Megaport - and that is an
>>>>>> awesome start.  What I would love to see is people like AAPT, iSeek, M2 and
>>>>>> others be able to sell more wholesale tails over this fabric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Transit should be an easy one. for $200 intrastate between any
>>>>>> connected DC's, with capacity up to the connection of your pipe (10Gb or
>>>>>> 100Gb), I see people selling transit as a no-brainer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are doing this and want to announce it here, awesome... or if
>>>>>> you don't want to announce yet, but happy to let me know - I will keep it
>>>>>> quiet until you are ready to announce it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX, Equinix Peering - have you
>>>>>> thought of connecting to Megaport for the VxC, so people can actually use
>>>>>> the Megaport fabric to get onto your IX as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>>>  skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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