[AusNOG] Fwd: LulzSec Leader Arrested in Sydney - One of our

[Giles Pollock]

Open or closed, there are good arguments for both. We all have the
responsibility to ensure sensitive or embarrassing information does not get
into the wrong hands, and that good discussion of situations are not
misused or misreported (journos, that is more specific to you, don't forget
the Australian Press Council General Statement of Principles).
On one hand, there is the argument that the list have a closed membership,
to avoid off-topic discussions and to foster open discussion of more
sensitive issues that the general public might not really need to know
about.
On the other hand, there is the argument to have an open membership, as
anyone who obeys the charter shouldn't have any issues and those that
disobey can be dealt with. This gives a wider and richer diversity to the
audience on the list, and allows for more fruitful discussions where the
lines between networking, servers, and general IT blur.

As for me, I am here to learn. I mostly lurk so I can stay informed and up
to date, and also see what goes on in the medium to large scale networking
world. I do not have an AS, and at times when I am between jobs (such as at
the moment) I don't even have access to a decent network or enterprise gear
to work on. But I do believe in learning from the best, and being
subscribed here is one of the many ways I seek to do exactly that. I would
hope that this list remains a place where good quality discussion can take
place, because if all that gets locked up in a closed membership list,
people like me who want to learn will end up locked out.

Again back to the various media people (journos etc) on the list, I have no
problem with any of them being here, if they are here to learn and
understand. If however they are here simply mining this for quotes and not
following good journalism practice, consider what a pity it would be to
destroy what makes this place great by frightening everyone into silence.
Yes, things said on the internet can be considered fair game, but please be
considerate of the knock-on effects of what your reporting could be to
those who gave you the ability to earn a dollar today. This community is
small and pretty tight-knit, so any comment can (and usually will) be
traced back to an individual.

Giles


On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>wrote:

> If you're in the top 10 telco customer or whatever, then as you say you
> won't need/use a list. So who is left? Hundreds of people without ASs but
> still fairly decent networks who would both benefit from the list and
> assist others? Tens of people with ASs, few of whom will bother with
> another list when they know all pertinent discussion will take place on
> AusNOG anyway.. If its as small as you think then for sure no one will
> bother leaking the new list, or if it grows to be as useful as AusNOG
> (which some people don't think is the case) and/(or) replaces AusNOG as a
> source of general troubleshooting information, you can be sure it will leak.
>
> Still haven't seen anyone actually suggest what would be posted to a
> closed list (which will surely be leaked) vs an open one. Or if you're
> coming back to the matter of 'whirlpool spam', well look at all the
> 'discussion' on this issue. If you look at the archive you'll see more spam
> posts surrounding this new list than at least 4 months of last year.. the
> irony eh.
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Aaron Swayn <aaron at swayn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sure, even a closed list can leak. But you know what. This is still a
>> really small community, everyone knows each other and anyone caught will be
>> booted (I'd hope so anyway).
>
>
>
>> If your in the telco's top 10 customer list  by revenue or a strategic
>> business relationship, then you'll probably have the necessary direct
>> contacts and escalation paths anyway.
>>
>
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