<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Open or closed, there are good arguments for both. We all have the responsibility to ensure sensitive or embarrassing information does not get into the wrong hands, and that good discussion of situations are not misused or misreported (journos, that is more specific to you, don't forget the Australian Press Council General Statement of Principles).<br>
</div>On one hand, there is the argument that the list have a closed membership, to avoid off-topic discussions and to foster open discussion of more sensitive issues that the general public might not really need to know about.<br>
</div>On the other hand, there is the argument to have an open membership, as anyone who obeys the charter shouldn't have any issues and those that disobey can be dealt with. This gives a wider and richer diversity to the audience on the list, and allows for more fruitful discussions where the lines between networking, servers, and general IT blur.<br>
<br></div>As for me, I am here to learn. I mostly lurk so I can stay informed and up to date, and also see what goes on in the medium to large scale networking world. I do not have an AS, and at times when I am between jobs (such as at the moment) I don't even have access to a decent network or enterprise gear to work on. But I do believe in learning from the best, and being subscribed here is one of the many ways I seek to do exactly that. I would hope that this list remains a place where good quality discussion can take place, because if all that gets locked up in a closed membership list, people like me who want to learn will end up locked out.<br>
<br></div><div>Again back to the various media people (journos etc) on the list, I have no problem with any of them being here, if they are here to learn and understand. If however they are here simply mining this for quotes and not following good journalism practice, consider what a pity it would be to destroy what makes this place great by frightening everyone into silence. Yes, things said on the internet can be considered fair game, but please be considerate of the knock-on effects of what your reporting could be to those who gave you the ability to earn a dollar today. This community is small and pretty tight-knit, so any comment can (and usually will) be traced back to an individual.<br>
</div><div><br></div>Giles<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Joshua D'Alton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">If you're in the top 10 telco customer or whatever, then as you say you won't need/use a list. So who is left? Hundreds of people without ASs but still fairly decent networks who would both benefit from the list and assist others? Tens of people with ASs, few of whom will bother with another list when they know all pertinent discussion will take place on AusNOG anyway.. If its as small as you think then for sure no one will bother leaking the new list, or if it grows to be as useful as AusNOG (which some people don't think is the case) and/(or) replaces AusNOG as a source of general troubleshooting information, you can be sure it will leak.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Still haven't seen anyone actually suggest what would be posted to a closed list (which will surely be leaked) vs an open one. Or if you're coming back to the matter of 'whirlpool spam', well look at all the 'discussion' on this issue. If you look at the archive you'll see more spam posts surrounding this new list than at least 4 months of last year.. the irony eh.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Aaron Swayn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aaron@swayn.com" target="_blank">aaron@swayn.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sure, even a closed list can leak. But you know what. This is still a really small community, everyone knows each other and anyone caught will be booted (I'd hope so anyway). </blockquote><div> </div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If your in the telco's top 10 customer list by revenue or a strategic business relationship, then you'll probably have the necessary direct contacts and escalation paths anyway.<br></blockquote></div></div>
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