[AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.

[Danny O'Brien]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, hannah commodore <hannah at tinfoilhat.net>wrote:

> Speaking of specific LEA requests may be disallowed, but nothing prevents
> operators from discussing them generally.
> Acknowledging that carriers do occasionally receive requests to block a
> /32, and act on them, is all that the OP is asking
>
>
Also: it may be that no-one ever receives secret orders to block IPs, and
such agreements don't exist. In which case, it's really very easy to
publicly deny the existence of such orders. You're not going to get into
trouble for going public about the non-existence of non-existent agreements.

(The fact that nobody has categorically denied it yet does not indicate
that such orders *do* exist. It may simply be proving the existence of
people who take the weekend off work and/or don't read AusNog threads of
60+ emails, of which I have circumstantial but not conclusive evidence.)

d.





> On 13/04/2013, at 10:59, Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Serge,
>
> This is a network operators group.  If you don't know what a "lawful
> request" is, then you don't operate a network (at least envisaged by this
> list).  If you are wanting to know what the "lawful request in this
> instance" then you don't operate a network, because if you did, you would
> know that if you receive a lawful request to block, then you can't talk
> about it, meaning you won't get an answer to your question on this list.
>
> Either way, do your research off list please – it's [mostly] all there.
>  The rest of it is when you do your Interception Capability Plan with the
> Attorney Generals Department and others and as you can guess – they/we
> can't talk about that either.  But we (Network Operators) all already know
> that too…
>
> Cheers
>
> [b]
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Serge Burjak <sburjak at systech.com.au>
> Date: Saturday, 13 April 2013 10:37 AM
> To: J Williams <jphwilliams at gmail.com>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
> melbournefreeuniversity.org.
>
> What is a lawful request in this instance?
>
> On 13/04/2013, at 9:56, J Williams <jphwilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Finally a sensible answer.
> The carriers may be complying with a request from a lawful enforcement
> agency to filter this IP address, and are therefore unable to provide any
> further details, as per their obligations.
> Telling them to 'man up' (which could be interpreted as sexist) or
> shooting down the intermediary is ridiculous and unhelpful.
>
> Firstly, since this is deliberately blocked, the parties involved need to
> direct their queries to the relevant government body, perhaps ->
> http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.aspx
> Secondly, the internet has many workarounds, the end user can change
> hosting (to within Australia?) or ask the current provider for a different
> IP address, etc.
>
> Please let us know how you go Danny.
>
> Regards,
> Julian
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Phillip Grasso <phillip.grasso at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> If government interception was involved any parties cooperating wouldn't
>> be able to say anything. Why won't the end user move another service and
>> see if the block follows them.
>> On 11/04/2013 12:38 PM, "Joshua D'Alton" <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> **ford.com
>>>
>>> Well theres the culprit... ;)
>>>
>>> The sad thing is the real culprit site has more than likely already
>>> moved to another IP, leaving all these legit sites up the creek. It's the
>>> piracy/DRM argument all over again :(
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Simon Lyall <simon at darkmere.gen.nz>wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. Works from New Zealand
>>>>
>>>> 2. There is a list of websites hosted on that IP at
>>>> http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.**54.104<http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.54.104>. However they obscure the first two characters of each domain. Skimming
>>>> though it nothing really jumped out. A fairly high number of Australian
>>>> sites, all boring stuff:
>>>>
>>>> www.clanfraser.org.au
>>>> www.tradecoastproperties.com.**au<http://www.tradecoastproperties.com.au>
>>>> www.fromholtz.com.au
>>>> www.brunswickplace.com.au
>>>> www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au
>>>>
>>>> I keep expecting to find a Queensland dentist..
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Simon Lyall  |  Very Busy  |  Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/
>>>> "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
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