<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, hannah commodore <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hannah@tinfoilhat.net" target="_blank">hannah@tinfoilhat.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Speaking of specific LEA requests may be disallowed, but nothing prevents operators from discussing them generally.</div>
<div>Acknowledging that carriers do occasionally receive requests to block a /32, and act on them, is all that the OP is asking</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Also: it may be that no-one ever receives secret orders to block IPs, and such agreements don't exist. In which case, it's really very easy to publicly deny the existence of such orders. You're not going to get into trouble for going public about the non-existence of non-existent agreements.<br>
<br>(The fact that nobody has categorically denied it yet does not indicate that such orders *do* exist. It may simply be proving the existence of people who take the weekend off work and/or don't read AusNog threads of 60+ emails, of which I have circumstantial but not conclusive evidence.)<br>
<br>d.<br><br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="h5"><div>On 13/04/2013, at 10:59, Bevan Slattery <<a href="mailto:bevan@slattery.net.au" target="_blank">bevan@slattery.net.au</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi Serge,</div><div><br></div><div>This is a network operators group. If you don't know what a "lawful request" is, then you don't operate a network (at least envisaged by this list). If you are wanting to know what the "lawful request in this instance" then you don't operate a network, because if you did, you would know that if you receive a lawful request to block, then you can't talk about it, meaning you won't get an answer to your question on this list.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Either way, do your research off list please – it's [mostly] all there. The rest of it is when you do your Interception Capability Plan with the Attorney Generals Department and others and as you can guess – they/we can't talk about that either. But we (Network Operators) all already know that too…</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>[b]</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span><div style="border-right:medium none;padding-right:0in;padding-left:0in;padding-top:3pt;text-align:left;font-size:11pt;border-bottom:medium none;font-family:Calibri;border-top:#b5c4df 1pt solid;padding-bottom:0in;border-left:medium none">
<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Serge Burjak <<a href="mailto:sburjak@systech.com.au" target="_blank">sburjak@systech.com.au</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Saturday, 13 April 2013 10:37 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> J Williams <<a href="mailto:jphwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank">jphwilliams@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to <a href="http://melbournefreeuniversity.org" target="_blank">melbournefreeuniversity.org</a>.<br></div><div><br></div>
<div><div dir="auto"><div>What is a lawful request in this instance?</div><div><br>On 13/04/2013, at 9:56, J Williams <<a href="mailto:jphwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank">jphwilliams@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>
</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Finally a sensible answer.<div>The carriers may be complying with a request from a lawful enforcement agency to filter this IP address, and are therefore unable to provide any further details, as per their obligations.</div>
<div>Telling them to 'man up' (which could be interpreted as sexist) or shooting down the intermediary is ridiculous and unhelpful.</div><div><br></div><div>Firstly, since this is deliberately blocked, the parties involved need to direct their queries to the relevant government body, perhaps -> <a href="http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.aspx</a><br>
</div><div>Secondly, the internet has many workarounds, the end user can change hosting (to within Australia?) or ask the current provider for a different IP address, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Please let us know how you go Danny.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Julian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Phillip Grasso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">If government interception was involved any parties cooperating wouldn't be able to say anything. Why won't the end user move another service and see if the block follows them.</p>
<div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On 11/04/2013 12:38 PM, "Joshua D'Alton" <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="font-family:verdana,arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(221,238,238)">**<a href="http://ford.com" target="_blank">ford.com</a></span><div><font face="verdana,arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="verdana,arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px">Well theres the culprit... ;)<br></span></font><br>The sad thing is the real culprit site has more than likely already moved to another IP, leaving all these legit sites up the creek. It's the piracy/DRM argument all over again :(<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Simon Lyall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@darkmere.gen.nz" target="_blank">simon@darkmere.gen.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
1. Works from New Zealand<br><br>
2. There is a list of websites hosted on that IP at <a href="http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.54.104" target="_blank">http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.<u></u>54.104</a> . However they obscure the first two characters of each domain. Skimming though it nothing really jumped out. A fairly high number of Australian sites, all boring stuff:<br>
<br><a href="http://www.clanfraser.org.au" target="_blank">www.clanfraser.org.au</a><br><a href="http://www.tradecoastproperties.com.au" target="_blank">www.tradecoastproperties.com.<u></u>au</a><br><a href="http://www.fromholtz.com.au" target="_blank">www.fromholtz.com.au</a><br>
<a href="http://www.brunswickplace.com.au" target="_blank">www.brunswickplace.com.au</a><br><a href="http://www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au" target="_blank">www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au</a><br><br>
I keep expecting to find a Queensland dentist..<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>
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