[AusNOG] Warrnambool exchange

Joshua D'Alton joshua at railgun.com.au
Wed Nov 28 17:12:56 EST 2012 

I'd argue not having fire prevention would be within their control.
Obviously we've already had the argument about the cost, but that is
besides the point.

Honestly I don't find much fault except that it took them more than 24
hours to move in any emergency gear. I don't think that is acceptable
really.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org> wrote:

>
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> , "Joshua D'Alton" writes:
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> > *Seems a bit BS to me they are exempt from critical services...::*
>
> A fire, as far as I can see, falls withing "Circumstances beyond
> the control of the provider".  If it is determined that the fire
> was caused by the actions/in-actions of a employee then it would
> not be exempt.  The exemption would be provisional until there is
> a determination of the fire's cause.
>
> Mark
>
>  (2)   Circumstances beyond the control of the provider may include (but
> are not limited to) the following circumstances:
>                 (a)    damage to a facility of the carriage service
> provider that is not caused by the carriage service provider;
>
>
> > Dear Valued Partner
> >
> >
> > The Carrier is working to manage the significant impact to services that
> > has occurred as a result of a fire at an exchange in Warrnambool (Vic)
> last
> > Thursday (November 22, 2012).
> >
> > Due to the scale of the damage to network infrastructure caused by the
> > fire, there has been a significant increase in the number of the services
> > being reported as faulty. As a result, there has been some disruption to
> > services and delays to normal installation and repair activities.
> >
> > The Carrier has deployed emergency equipment to the area to assist in
> > restoring services. Two Mobile Exchange on Wheels (MEOW) are on site and
> > connecting services and a third is expected to start operating sometime
> > today. A MEOW is a transportable ADSL2+ enabled exchange which can
> > partially substitute for an existing exchange.
> >
> > A number of Satellite Cell on Wheels and Cell on Wheels (for Mobile
> > services) units are also helping provide other services to the region.
> The
> > Carrier has restored mobile phone service to 90% of the area.
> >
> > Services in Warrnambool and surrounding areas with FNNs in the following
> > number ranges may have been affected:
> >
> > 03 5220 0000 to 03 5239 8999
> > 03 5380 1000 to 03 5380 1999
> > 03 5263 0000 to 03 5267 3999
> > 03 5459 7000 to 03 5467 2999
> > 03 5287 1000 to 03 5289 7999
> > 03 5520 2000 to 03 5529 5999
> > 03 5321 9000 to 03 5321 9999
> > 03 5551 0000 to 03 5599 8999
> > 03 5340 6000 to 03 5363 9999
> >
> >
> > As these circumstances were outside of the Carrier=92s control, the
> Carrier
> > is claiming an exemption from compliance with time frames and performance
> > standards required under the Telecommunications (Customer Service
> > Guarantee) Standard 2011.
> >
> > Subsequently, the Carrier is notifying customers that normal installation
> > and repair time frames may not be met during the period from *22 November
> > 2012 to 30 November 2012 inclusive *(based on the Carrier=92s estimated
> > recovery schedule correct at the time of publication of this notice) and,
> > under section 21 of the Telecommunications (Customer Service Guarantee)
> > Standard 2011, the Carrier will be exempt from complying with performance
> > standards during this period.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Daniel McConville <
> fourdegrees at gmail.com>w=
> > rote:
> >
> > > Well in this scenario mobile services are easier to restore or provide
> an
> > > alternative (MEOW / SatCOW for example). If a fire fuses all the copper
> > > together - that is a lot of work to restore individual services so this
> > > Mayor fellow has some valid concerns. An OFDF melting is just as bad
> as a
> > > Copper MDF Block.
> > >
> > > Sure Mobile Towers/Cells use fibre back haul, but they cover a smaller
> > > area... and back haul can be microwave also.
> > >
> > > Just my 2c.
> > >
> > > -Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hmmm,
> > >>
> > >> I wonder if these are then the same people who turn around and
> complain
> > >> about wireless radiation making the children sick and giving every
> man a=
> > nd
> > >> his dog cancer, or the 'visual pollution' that the antennas/towers
> cause=
> >  in
> > >> order to use them.
> > >>
> > >> Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
> > >>
> > >> --Damian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jeffrey Sims <
> jeffy at tehintartubes.net>=
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The whole tone of the article screams "What if the terrorists do it
> > >>> again?", You know what if the exchange were made of cheese would the
> mi=
> > ce
> > >>> still eat it?
> > >>>
> > >>> We should be relying on Satellites and wireless, the crazy thing here
> > >>> is, what if the ground station of the satellite catches fire? What
> if t=
> > he
> > >>> mobile tower falls over? It's all a large amount of "what ifs" and
> this
> > >>> fire whilst preventable with FM200 realistically, you can plan for
> ever=
> > y
> > >>> eventuality but where do you draw the line? At the tin foil hat?
> > >>>
> > >>> I just think it must be re-election season down there because he's
> just
> > >>> getting on his soap box asking for Minister Conroy to make his town
> fee=
> > l
> > >>> all warm and fuzzy with the satellite beams from the wireless towers
> wh=
> > o
> > >>> don't need power or fibre to feed them interbutts.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com
> >wrote=
> > :
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hmmm, yes. We should all move to wireless because of an outage that
> cu=
> > t
> > >>>> both physical lines and wireless (mobile) services, that will fix
> our
> > >>>> problem! Some one give this guy an award.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --Damian
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net
> >wrote=
> > :
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Matt Perkins wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  Here we go.  It was only a matter of time.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> http://www.standard.net.au/**story/1144950/mayor-wants-**
> > >>>>>> answers-over-telstra-**breakdown/?cs=3D12<
> http://www.standard.net.au=
> > /story/1144950/mayor-wants-answers-over-telstra-breakdown/?cs=3D12>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "Maybe we should be looking further ahead at satellite and wireless
> > >>>>> links rather than relying on physical lines."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <sarcasm>
> > >>>>> Ahh, right, because satellites just can't fail. And even if they
> did,
> > >>>>> you can courier a replacement there overnight. conroy is on record
> sa=
> > ying
> > >>>>> that "his" satellites "don't have latency problems"... so it all
> soun=
> > ds
> > >>>>> like the perfect solution.
> > >>>>> </sarcasm>
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