[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

Thu Nov 8 13:21:24 EST 2012

The fact that Telstra, Optus and the other two GoF members continue to
operate as they do is disgusting - it's the result of a poorly conceived
government-sponsored choice well over a decade ago.

The opportunity to fix this is being ignored by Conroy, further
displaying his complete ignorance of the marketplace.

If there was ever a reason to ensure a neutral party provided IX
services, Simon Hackett nailed it in his blog post
http://blog.internode.on.net/2011/05/16/peering-policy-gaps-nbn/

Chris

On 08/11/12 13:13, Matt Perkins wrote:
> With transit prices dropping all the time. Im not sure how long the
> Sydney IX's can hold on. I don't believe they are two financially
> competitive right now. Im sure im not allowed to publicly say how much
> we pay for the pipe IX but needles to say it's only a small amount per
> meg cheaper then what we pay for transit from others and traffic seems
> to be falling on our pipe peer. So lets just say the target is a
> moving one at the moment. Now if Telstra/Optus were to join an IX that
> would be a different story but we all know that's not going to happen.
>
> It would be nice if an IX was available without to many ongoing costs
> (it's a layer 2 switch port after all)  however with interconnect
> pricing (global switch meet me etc) all this adds up. 
>
> There seems to be more value in pooling smaller ISP's together  to go
> to transit providers as a group. We have had some success negotiating
> some better prices in that situation.
>
> As to the fight between PIPE/VOCUS It sounds like interesting gossip
> The business man in me says this is their  business but the bitch in
> me wants the dirt. Now if you will excuse me thesuperficial.com awaits
>
> Matt.
>
>
> On 8/11/12 12:57 PM, Joe Wooller wrote:
>> True, WAIA doesn't have an IX in Sydney, but Equinix and Pipe do.
>> Given that there is already 2 options for peering there it may get a
>> bit crowded with a third.
>>
>> That said we are still seeing as4826 on QLD-IX, VIC-IX and WAIX.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On 08/11/2012, at 9:47 AM, Skeeve Stevens
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But they aren't in Sydney.
>>>
>>> WAIX's pricing is great... but until they are an option, there is no
>>> point worrying about them (in Sydney).
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>> *Skeeve Stevens, CEO - *eintellego Pty Ltd
>>> skeeve at eintellego.net
>>> <mailto:skeeve at eintellego.net> ; www.eintellego.net
>>> <http://www.eintellego.net/>
>>> Phone: 1300 753 383; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>> facebook.com/eintellego
>>> <http://facebook.com/eintellego> ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>>> <http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve> 
>>> twitter.com/networkceoau <http://twitter.com/networkceoau> ;
>>> blog: www.network-ceo.net <http://www.network-ceo.net/>
>>>
>>> The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>> Juniper - Cisco -- IBM - Brocade - Cloud
>>> -----
>>> Check out our Juniper promotion website for Oct/Nov!  eintellego.mx
>>> <http://eintellego.mx/>
>>> Free Apple products during this promotion!!! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Brad Peczka <brad at bradpeczka.com
>>> <mailto:brad at bradpeczka.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I think WAIA is doing a pretty good job of that already. Today =
>>>     VIC-IX, QLD-IX, WAIX, tomorrow = the world! :-)
>>>      
>>>     Regards,
>>>     -Brad.
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>>>     <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>
>>>     [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>>>     <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of Greg
>>>     Smith [greg at webmetrix.com.au <mailto:greg at webmetrix.com.au>]
>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:38 AM
>>>     *To:* Skeeve Stevens; Noel Butler
>>>     *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering
>>>     traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>>>
>>>     Time to build a new IX?
>>>
>>>      
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     *From:*ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>>>     <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>
>>>     [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>>>     <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve
>>>     Stevens
>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32
>>>     *To:* Noel Butler
>>>     *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering
>>>     traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Noel,
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Because it affects us all.  In extra costs, extra complexity,
>>>     extra hassles, extra design considerations, less choice in
>>>     interconnect options, etc.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     I've had multiple customers who have had extra work put on them
>>>     by cable re-routing and re-provisioning, which in the end all
>>>     seems to be caused by some bullshit turf war.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's....
>>>     now Pipe, under the new ownership seems to be doing the same
>>>     thing.  The company that rose to success largely because of who
>>>     ran it and how they operated, no longer seems to consider what
>>>     people think of them, which is sad, because it is (or was) a
>>>     good network asset.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     They still have a good value proposition, but this shit doesn't
>>>     help anyone.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     *Skeeve Stevens, CEO - *eintellego Pty Ltd
>>>
>>>     skeeve at eintellego.net
>>>     <mailto:skeeve at eintellego.net> ; www.eintellego.net
>>>     <http://www.eintellego.net/>
>>>
>>>     Phone: 1300 753 383; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>>     facebook.com/eintellego
>>>     <http://facebook.com/eintellego> ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>>>     <http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve> 
>>>     twitter.com/networkceoau <http://twitter.com/networkceoau> ;
>>>     blog: www.network-ceo.net <http://www.network-ceo.net/>
>>>
>>>     The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>>
>>>     Juniper - Cisco -- IBM - Brocade - Cloud
>>>
>>>     -----
>>>
>>>     Check out our Juniper promotion website for Oct/Nov!
>>>      eintellego.mx <http://eintellego.mx/>
>>>
>>>     Free Apple products during this promotion!!! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Noel Butler
>>>     <noel.butler at ausics.net <mailto:noel.butler at ausics.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 00:30 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     > Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with
>>>     Vocus and Pipe?
>>>     > Who is pissed at who for what is the question?
>>>
>>>     Ummm, sorry, why should they?
>>>
>>>
>>>     The commercial agreement between them, is, well,  between them -
>>>     nobody else.
>>>
>>>     If you have a commercial agreement with PIPE and/or Vocus that's
>>>     between you and each peer provider, it doesn't give anyone the
>>>     right to know how they connect or why they change things.
>>>
>>>     End result is, you are all still connected to the Internet,
>>>     nobody has dropped off the face of it because of this.
>>>     Life goes on.
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     AusNOG mailing list
>>>     AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
>>>     http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>
>>> !DSPAM:1,509b0f7624055046312753!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AusNOG mailing list
>>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>>
>>>
>>> !DSPAM:1,509b0f7624055046312753!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AusNOG mailing list
>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
> -- 
> /* Matt Perkins 
>         Direct 1300 137 379     Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. 
>         Office 1300 133 299     matt at spectrum.com.au 
>         Fax    1300 133 255     Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000
>         SIP 1300137379 at sip.spectrum.com.au 
>         PGP/GNUPG Public Key can be found at  http://pgp.mit.edu 
> */
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20121108/dc72a1b6/attachment.html>