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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The fact that Telstra, Optus and the
other two GoF members continue to operate as they do is disgusting
- it's the result of a poorly conceived government-sponsored
choice well over a decade ago.<br>
<br>
The opportunity to fix this is being ignored by Conroy, further
displaying his complete ignorance of the marketplace.<br>
<br>
If there was ever a reason to ensure a neutral party provided IX
services, Simon Hackett nailed it in his blog post
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On 08/11/12 13:13, Matt Perkins wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">With transit prices dropping all the
time. Im not sure how long the Sydney IX's can hold on. I don't
believe they are two financially competitive right now. Im sure
im not allowed to publicly say how much we pay for the pipe IX
but needles to say it's only a small amount per meg cheaper then
what we pay for transit from others and traffic seems to be
falling on our pipe peer. So lets just say the target is a
moving one at the moment. Now if Telstra/Optus were to join an
IX that would be a different story but we all know that's not
going to happen. <br>
<br>
It would be nice if an IX was available without to many ongoing
costs (it's a layer 2 switch port after all) however with
interconnect pricing (global switch meet me etc) all this adds
up. <br>
<br>
There seems to be more value in pooling smaller ISP's together
to go to transit providers as a group. We have had some success
negotiating some better prices in that situation. <br>
<br>
As to the fight between PIPE/VOCUS It sounds like interesting
gossip The business man in me says this is their business but
the bitch in me wants the dirt. Now if you will excuse me
thesuperficial.com awaits <br>
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On 8/11/12 12:57 PM, Joe Wooller wrote:<br>
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True, WAIA doesn't have an IX in Sydney, but Equinix and Pipe
do.
<div>Given that there is already 2 options for peering there it
may get a bit crowded with a third.</div>
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<div>That said we are still seeing as4826 on QLD-IX, VIC-IX and
WAIX.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Joe</div>
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<div>On 08/11/2012, at 9:47 AM, Skeeve Stevens <<a
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<blockquote type="cite">But they aren't in Sydney.
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<div>WAIX's pricing is great... but until they are an
option, there is no point worrying about them (in
Sydney).<br clear="all">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:42
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Tahoma">I think WAIA is
doing a pretty good job of that already. Today
= VIC-IX, QLD-IX, WAIX, tomorrow = the world!
:-)</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma">Regards,</font></div>
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face="tahoma">Brad.</font></font></div>
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<hr> <font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens; Noel Butler<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe -
Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom
PIPE-IX?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
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style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;COLOR:navy;FONT-SIZE:10pt">Time
to build a new IX?</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Skeeve
Stevens<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b>
Noel Butler<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Cc:</span></b>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was:
Vocus peering traffic missingfrom
PIPE-IX?</span></font><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">Noel,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span
style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">Because it
affects us all. In extra costs, extra
complexity, extra hassles, extra
design considerations, less choice in
interconnect options, etc.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span
style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">I've had
multiple customers who have had
extra work put on them by cable
re-routing and re-provisioning,
which in the end all seems to be
caused by some bullshit turf war.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span
style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">It is like
the days when AAPT through Pipe out
of their DC's.... now Pipe, under
the new ownership seems to be doing
the same thing. The company that
rose to success largely because of
who ran it and how they operated, no
longer seems to consider what people
think of them, which is sad, because
it is (or was) a good network asset.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New
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style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">They still
have a good value proposition, but
this shit doesn't help anyone.<br
clear="all">
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style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">On Thu, Nov
8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Noel Butler
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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style="FONT-SIZE:12pt">On Thu,
2012-11-08 at 00:30 +1100,
Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
> Is anyone willing to openly
talk about what is going on with
Vocus and Pipe? <br>
> Who is pissed at who for
what is the question?<br>
<br>
Ummm, sorry, why should they?<br>
<br>
<br>
The commercial agreement between
them, is, well, between them -
nobody else.<br>
<br>
If you have a commercial
agreement with PIPE and/or Vocus
that's between you and each peer
provider, it doesn't give anyone
the right to know how they
connect or why they change
things.<br>
<br>
End result is, you are all still
connected to the Internet,
nobody has dropped off the face
of it because of this.<br>
Life goes on.<br>
<br>
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