[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

Thu Nov 8 13:18:44 EST 2012

Sure, but the other value proposition for peering is also performance.
 It's efficient routing and uncongested connectivity to a whole mess of
ASs.  When EA was hosting at Webcentral I used to get 11Mb/s downloads to
my desk.

Obviously the commercials are a concern as transit prices drop and there's
a 'worth it' tipping point, but depending on your content delivery
strategy, those IX links can be produce some good results.

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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:

>  With transit prices dropping all the time. Im not sure how long the
> Sydney IX's can hold on. I don't believe they are two financially
> competitive right now. Im sure im not allowed to publicly say how much we
> pay for the pipe IX but needles to say it's only a small amount per meg
> cheaper then what we pay for transit from others and traffic seems to be
> falling on our pipe peer. So lets just say the target is a moving one at
> the moment. Now if Telstra/Optus were to join an IX that would be a
> different story but we all know that's not going to happen.
>
> It would be nice if an IX was available without to many ongoing costs
> (it's a layer 2 switch port after all)  however with interconnect pricing
> (global switch meet me etc) all this adds up.
>
> There seems to be more value in pooling smaller ISP's together  to go to
> transit providers as a group. We have had some success negotiating some
> better prices in that situation.
>
> As to the fight between PIPE/VOCUS It sounds like interesting gossip The
> business man in me says this is their  business but the bitch in me wants
> the dirt. Now if you will excuse me thesuperficial.com awaits
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
> On 8/11/12 12:57 PM, Joe Wooller wrote:
>
> True, WAIA doesn't have an IX in Sydney, but Equinix and Pipe do.
> Given that there is already 2 options for peering there it may get a bit
> crowded with a third.
>
>  That said we are still seeing as4826 on QLD-IX, VIC-IX and WAIX.
>
>  Cheers
> Joe
>
>
>  On 08/11/2012, at 9:47 AM, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net>
> wrote:
>
> But they aren't in Sydney.
>
>  WAIX's pricing is great... but until they are an option, there is no
> point worrying about them (in Sydney).
> *
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> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Brad Peczka <brad at bradpeczka.com> wrote:
>
>>  I think WAIA is doing a pretty good job of that already. Today =
>> VIC-IX, QLD-IX, WAIX, tomorrow = the world! :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> -Brad.
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>> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net]
>> On Behalf Of Greg Smith [greg at webmetrix.com.au]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:38 AM
>> *To:* Skeeve Stevens; Noel Butler
>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic
>> missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>>
>>   Time to build a new IX?
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
>> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve Stevens
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32
>> *To:* Noel Butler
>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic
>> missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>>
>>
>> Noel,
>>
>>
>> Because it affects us all.  In extra costs, extra complexity, extra
>> hassles, extra design considerations, less choice in interconnect options,
>> etc.
>>
>>
>> I've had multiple customers who have had extra work put on them by cable
>> re-routing and re-provisioning, which in the end all seems to be caused by
>> some bullshit turf war.
>>
>>
>> It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's.... now
>> Pipe, under the new ownership seems to be doing the same thing.  The
>> company that rose to success largely because of who ran it and how they
>> operated, no longer seems to consider what people think of them, which is
>> sad, because it is (or was) a good network asset.
>>
>>
>> They still have a good value proposition, but this shit doesn't help
>> anyone.
>>
>>
>> *Skeeve Stevens, CEO - *eintellego Pty Ltd
>>
>> skeeve at eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net
>> Phone: 1300 753 383; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>> facebook.com/eintellego ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>> twitter.com/networkceoau ; blog: www.network-ceo.net
>>
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>>
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>>
>>  On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 00:30 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with Vocus and
>> Pipe?
>> > Who is pissed at who for what is the question?
>>
>> Ummm, sorry, why should they?
>>
>>
>> The commercial agreement between them, is, well,  between them - nobody
>> else.
>>
>> If you have a commercial agreement with PIPE and/or Vocus that's between
>> you and each peer provider, it doesn't give anyone the right to know how
>> they connect or why they change things.
>>
>> End result is, you are all still connected to the Internet, nobody has
>> dropped off the face of it because of this.
>> Life goes on.
>>
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