[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

[Matt Perkins]

With transit prices dropping all the time. Im not sure how long the 
Sydney IX's can hold on. I don't believe they are two financially 
competitive right now. Im sure im not allowed to publicly say how much 
we pay for the pipe IX but needles to say it's only a small amount per 
meg cheaper then what we pay for transit from others and traffic seems 
to be falling on our pipe peer. So lets just say the target is a moving 
one at the moment. Now if Telstra/Optus were to join an IX that would be 
a different story but we all know that's not going to happen.

It would be nice if an IX was available without to many ongoing costs 
(it's a layer 2 switch port after all)  however with interconnect 
pricing (global switch meet me etc) all this adds up.

There seems to be more value in pooling smaller ISP's together  to go to 
transit providers as a group. We have had some success negotiating some 
better prices in that situation.

As to the fight between PIPE/VOCUS It sounds like interesting gossip The 
business man in me says this is their  business but the bitch in me 
wants the dirt. Now if you will excuse me thesuperficial.com awaits

Matt.


On 8/11/12 12:57 PM, Joe Wooller wrote:
> True, WAIA doesn't have an IX in Sydney, but Equinix and Pipe do.
> Given that there is already 2 options for peering there it may get a 
> bit crowded with a third.
>
> That said we are still seeing as4826 on QLD-IX, VIC-IX and WAIX.
>
> Cheers
> Joe
>
>
> On 08/11/2012, at 9:47 AM, Skeeve Stevens 
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net>> 
> wrote:
>
>> But they aren't in Sydney.
>>
>> WAIX's pricing is great... but until they are an option, there is no 
>> point worrying about them (in Sydney).
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>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Brad Peczka <brad at bradpeczka.com 
>> <mailto:brad at bradpeczka.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I think WAIA is doing a pretty good job of that already. Today =
>>     VIC-IX, QLD-IX, WAIX, tomorrow = the world! :-)
>>     Regards,
>>     -Brad.
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>>     *Sent:* Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:38 AM
>>     *To:* Skeeve Stevens; Noel Butler
>>     *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering
>>     traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>>
>>     Time to build a new IX?
>>
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>>     <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve
>>     Stevens
>>     *Sent:* Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32
>>     *To:* Noel Butler
>>     *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering
>>     traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>>
>>
>>     Noel,
>>
>>
>>     Because it affects us all.  In extra costs, extra complexity,
>>     extra hassles, extra design considerations, less choice in
>>     interconnect options, etc.
>>
>>
>>     I've had multiple customers who have had extra work put on them
>>     by cable re-routing and re-provisioning, which in the end all
>>     seems to be caused by some bullshit turf war.
>>
>>
>>     It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's....
>>     now Pipe, under the new ownership seems to be doing the same
>>     thing.  The company that rose to success largely because of who
>>     ran it and how they operated, no longer seems to consider what
>>     people think of them, which is sad, because it is (or was) a good
>>     network asset.
>>
>>
>>     They still have a good value proposition, but this shit doesn't
>>     help anyone.
>>
>>
>>     *Skeeve Stevens, CEO - *eintellego Pty Ltd
>>
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>>
>>     On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Noel Butler
>>     <noel.butler at ausics.net <mailto:noel.butler at ausics.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 00:30 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>
>>
>>     > Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with
>>     Vocus and Pipe?
>>     > Who is pissed at who for what is the question?
>>
>>     Ummm, sorry, why should they?
>>
>>
>>     The commercial agreement between them, is, well,  between them -
>>     nobody else.
>>
>>     If you have a commercial agreement with PIPE and/or Vocus that's
>>     between you and each peer provider, it doesn't give anyone the
>>     right to know how they connect or why they change things.
>>
>>     End result is, you are all still connected to the Internet,
>>     nobody has dropped off the face of it because of this.
>>     Life goes on.
>>
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