[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

[Brad Peczka]

I think WAIA is doing a pretty good job of that already. Today = VIC-IX, QLD-IX, WAIX, tomorrow = the world! :-)

Regards,
-Brad.
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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Greg Smith [greg at webmetrix.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:38 AM
To: Skeeve Stevens; Noel Butler
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

Time to build a new IX?

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32
To: Noel Butler
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

Noel,

Because it affects us all.  In extra costs, extra complexity, extra hassles, extra design considerations, less choice in interconnect options, etc.

I've had multiple customers who have had extra work put on them by cable re-routing and re-provisioning, which in the end all seems to be caused by some bullshit turf war.

It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's.... now Pipe, under the new ownership seems to be doing the same thing.  The company that rose to success largely because of who ran it and how they operated, no longer seems to consider what people think of them, which is sad, because it is (or was) a good network asset.

They still have a good value proposition, but this shit doesn't help anyone.

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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net<mailto:noel.butler at ausics.net>> wrote:
On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 00:30 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:


> Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with Vocus and Pipe?
> Who is pissed at who for what is the question?

Ummm, sorry, why should they?


The commercial agreement between them, is, well,  between them - nobody else.

If you have a commercial agreement with PIPE and/or Vocus that's between you and each peer provider, it doesn't give anyone the right to know how they connect or why they change things.

End result is, you are all still connected to the Internet, nobody has dropped off the face of it because of this.
Life goes on.


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