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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma">I think WAIA is doing a pretty good job of that already. Today = VIC-IX, QLD-IX, WAIX, tomorrow = the world! :-)</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">Regards,</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Tahoma">-<font face="tahoma">Brad.</font></font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Greg Smith [greg@webmetrix.com.au]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens; Noel Butler<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-US"> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32<br>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's.... now Pipe, under the new ownership seems to be doing the same thing. The company that rose to success largely
because of who ran it and how they operated, no longer seems to consider what people think of them, which is sad, because it is (or was) a good network asset.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">They still have a good value proposition, but this shit doesn't help anyone.<br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Noel Butler <<a href="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net">noel.butler@ausics.net</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 00:30 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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> Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with Vocus and Pipe? <br>
> Who is pissed at who for what is the question?<br>
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Ummm, sorry, why should they?<br>
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The commercial agreement between them, is, well, between them - nobody else.<br>
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If you have a commercial agreement with PIPE and/or Vocus that's between you and each peer provider, it doesn't give anyone the right to know how they connect or why they change things.<br>
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End result is, you are all still connected to the Internet, nobody has dropped off the face of it because of this.<br>
Life goes on.<br>
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