[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

[Skeeve Stevens]

But they aren't in Sydney.

WAIX's pricing is great... but until they are an option, there is no point
worrying about them (in Sydney).
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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Brad Peczka <brad at bradpeczka.com> wrote:

>  I think WAIA is doing a pretty good job of that already. Today = VIC-IX,
> QLD-IX, WAIX, tomorrow = the world! :-)
>
> Regards,
> -Brad.
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net]
> On Behalf Of Greg Smith [greg at webmetrix.com.au]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:38 AM
> *To:* Skeeve Stevens; Noel Butler
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic
> missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>
>   Time to build a new IX?
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve Stevens
> *Sent:* Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32
> *To:* Noel Butler
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic
> missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>
>
>
> Noel,
>
>
>
> Because it affects us all.  In extra costs, extra complexity, extra
> hassles, extra design considerations, less choice in interconnect options,
> etc.
>
>
>
> I've had multiple customers who have had extra work put on them by cable
> re-routing and re-provisioning, which in the end all seems to be caused by
> some bullshit turf war.
>
>
>
> It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's.... now Pipe,
> under the new ownership seems to be doing the same thing.  The company that
> rose to success largely because of who ran it and how they operated, no
> longer seems to consider what people think of them, which is sad, because
> it is (or was) a good network asset.
>
>
>
> They still have a good value proposition, but this shit doesn't help
> anyone.
>
>
>
> *Skeeve Stevens, CEO - *eintellego Pty Ltd
>
> skeeve at eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net
>
> Phone: 1300 753 383; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>
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> linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>  On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net>
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 00:30 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
>
> > Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with Vocus and
> Pipe?
> > Who is pissed at who for what is the question?
>
> Ummm, sorry, why should they?
>
>
> The commercial agreement between them, is, well,  between them - nobody
> else.
>
> If you have a commercial agreement with PIPE and/or Vocus that's between
> you and each peer provider, it doesn't give anyone the right to know how
> they connect or why they change things.
>
> End result is, you are all still connected to the Internet, nobody has
> dropped off the face of it because of this.
> Life goes on.
>
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