[AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"

Wed May 19 11:37:23 EST 2010

I agree, while the article may not be 100% correct - something like this 
is needed to bring around awareness for people not in the industry.  The 
more publicity, the better!

Andrew Oskam wrote:
> Going back on topic...
>
> I think it's a great thing that the article was published as there are 
> still plenty of people NOT in the industry who don't even know that 
> this change is coming.
>
> It's certainly forseeable that I will be receiving calls in the close 
> future from customers who will be skewing their faces when I start to 
> read out an IPv6 address to them.
>
> People need to be made aware and educated on the change because this 
> is something that will affect everyone...big and small.
>
> +10 internets to the publisher for an excellent article.
>
> The whole debate on the correct grammer for 'internet' is a bit 
> pointless really..at the end of the day.
>
> ..Andrew :)
>
> On 19/05/10 11:03 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I find it amusing that people like Daniel here are talking about IPv6 
>> as though there is still a time to have an opinion on whether IPv6 is 
>> a good thing.
>>
>>  
>>
>> As was the feeling at APNIC 29 in KL as well as the theme of the 2010 
>> IPv6 Summit "You're Standing in it" -- IPv6 is HERE... it isn't 
>> coming, it isn't a choice, it works now... do it or not be in 
>> business in a couple of years (for carriers, ISPs, etc).
>>
>>  
>>
>> IPv6 is no longer in the testing phases -- it is real... and if you 
>> are an ISP and you aren't thinking about it right now... in a year 
>> you are going to be screwed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> It is going to take a good year for the ISP's to spread IPv6 
>> knowledge throughout an organisation -- Level 1 helpdesk, Sales, and 
>> indeed management who may have to budget something to implement it 
>> properly.
>>
>>  
>>
>> OK, so have an opinion on whether IPv6 is a good thing... but your 
>> opinion doesn't matter in the end... You need to do it at some point, 
>> or else.
>>
>>  
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>>  
>>
>> --
>>
>> Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director
>>
>> eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists
>>
>> skeeve at eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
>>
>> Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954
>>
>> Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve
>>
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>>
>> --
>>
>> NOC, NOC, who's there?
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
>> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Hood
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:17 AM
>> *To:* Bevan Slattery
>> *Cc:* ausnog at ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"
>>
>>  
>>
>> Them "Internets" ain't going to die if we all start using capital 
>> I's. It is however going to be come extremely address exhausted.
>>
>>  
>>
>> What is the general opinion of people here on IPv6? In my opinion, I 
>> welcome the move, because for one it means that these nounce kids 
>> (such as myself) are going to have a lot more trouble "faking it" 
>> when they attempt to get jobs well above there skill level running 
>> networks they shouldn't be allowed near. I mean if you can't convert 
>> to hex you can't really use IPv6 all that well. And that means these 
>> kids with their Pass4Sure CCNA's and no real world experience won't 
>> be able to hide underneath the radar of the 192.168.0.x subnet anymore. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I also like the fact that instead of having to sparingly use my 8 
>> home IPs for a honeynet, test servers and production servers I can be 
>> a bit more giving. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> And last but not least, that feature that allows the host to discover 
>> default gateways looks pretty bad ass, I really want to have a good 
>> play with that as well. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Everyone else's thoughts?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bevan Slattery 
>> <Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com 
>> <mailto:Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Actually.  I did jump off half-cocked.  After reading the article
>> (rather than just your post) she was perhaps intending it to be a proper
>> noun (like a hotel name), so I'll take one for the team here.  However,
>> if it wasn't used in the manner intended, then the rest would be fine.
>> Sorry Scott.
>>
>> Ordinarily it's a pet peeve of mine when people correct me for not using
>> capital "i".  At least I got to inject a clip of a couple of great shows
>> being The IT Crowd or South Park :)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> [b]
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Bevan Slattery
>> > Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 9:56 AM
>> > To: Scott Howard; ausnog at ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>
>> > Subject: RE: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > All up, it's enough to make you cringe (starting with the lack of a
>> > > capital I in the subject, it goes downhill from there), but
>> > there are
>> > > some good quotes from Geoff Huston...
>> >
>>
>> > Sheesh.  The thing that makes me cringe a bit is people who
>> > still insist that internet should start with a capital "I".
>> > As the Wikipedia entry found here
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_capitalization_conventio
>>
>> > ns acknowledges
>>
>> >
>> > "Critics of the usage as a proper noun argue that other
>> > things that are unique yet distributed, such as "the power
>> > grid", "the telephone network", and even "the sky", are not
>> > considered proper nouns, and are thus not capitalized. Since
>> > at least 2002 it has been theorized that Internet has been
>> > changing from a proper noun to a generic term.[4] Words for
>> > new technologies, such as Phonograph in the 19th century, are
>> > sometimes capitalized at first, later becoming
>> > uncapitalized.[4] It was suggested as early as 1999 that
>> > Internet might, like some other commonly used proper nouns,
>> > lose its capital letter."
>> >
>> > You will note that the SMH along with the Economist,
>> > Financial Times and the Guardian also use the non-capitalised version.
>> >
>> > IMHO to raise the 'internet' as proper noun fails to
>> > acknowledge the work and investment by this exact industry to
>> > make it generic or ubiquitous.  For me the same applies to
>> > [E]ethernet.  If you want to use capitals, then go ahead.  If
>> > you don't, don't.  But don't pick people up for using lower
>> > case "i", because you'll be in the the same category as Jen
>> > from the IT Crowd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0
>> > or those who doubted Kyle on South Park
>> > http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/166192 :)
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > [b]
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