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I agree, while the article may not be 100% correct - something like
this is needed to bring around awareness for people not in the
industry. The more publicity, the better!<br>
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<font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">Going back on topic...<br>
<br>
I think it's a great thing that the article was published as there are
still plenty of people NOT in the industry who don't even know that
this change is coming.<br>
<br>
It's certainly forseeable that I will be receiving calls in the close
future from customers who will be skewing their faces when I start to
read out an IPv6 address to them.<br>
<br>
People need to be made aware and educated on the change because this is
something that will affect everyone...big and small.<br>
<br>
+10 internets to the publisher for an excellent article.<br>
<br>
The whole debate on the correct grammer for 'internet' is a bit
pointless really..at the end of the day.<br>
<br>
..Andrew :)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
find it amusing that people like Daniel here are talking about
IPv6 as though there is still a time to have an opinion on whether IPv6
is a
good thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">As
was the feeling at APNIC 29 in KL as well as the theme of the
2010 IPv6 Summit “You’re Standing in it” – IPv6 is
HERE... it isn’t coming, it isn’t a choice, it works now... do it
or not be in business in a couple of years (for carriers, ISPs, etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">IPv6
is no longer in the testing phases – it is real...
and if you are an ISP and you aren’t thinking about it right now... in
a
year you are going to be screwed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It
is going to take a good year for the ISP’s to spread
IPv6 knowledge throughout an organisation – Level 1 helpdesk, Sales,
and
indeed management who may have to budget something to implement it
properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">OK,
so have an opinion on whether IPv6 is a good thing... but
your opinion doesn’t matter in the end... You need to do it at some
point, or else.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel
Hood<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bevan Slattery<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Them "Internets" ain't going to die if we all
start using capital I's. It is however going to be come extremely
address
exhausted.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What is the general opinion of people here on
IPv6? In my
opinion, I welcome the move, because for one it means that these nounce
kids
(such as myself) are going to have a lot more trouble "faking it"
when they attempt to get jobs well above there skill level running
networks
they shouldn't be allowed near. I mean if you can't convert to hex you
can't
really use IPv6 all that well. And that means these kids with their
Pass4Sure
CCNA's and no real world experience won't be able to hide underneath
the radar
of the 192.168.0.x subnet anymore. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also like the fact that instead of having to
sparingly use
my 8 home IPs for a honeynet, test servers and production servers I can
be a
bit more giving. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And last but not least, that feature that
allows
the host to
discover default gateways looks pretty bad ass, I really want to have a
good
play with that as well. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Everyone else's thoughts?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bevan
Slattery
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com">Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Actually. I did jump off half-cocked. After
reading the article<br>
(rather than just your post) she was perhaps intending it to be a proper<br>
noun (like a hotel name), so I'll take one for the team here. However,<br>
if it wasn't used in the manner intended, then the rest would be fine.<br>
Sorry Scott.<br>
<br>
Ordinarily it's a pet peeve of mine when people correct me for not using<br>
capital "i". At least I got to inject a clip of a couple of
great shows<br>
being The IT Crowd or South Park :)<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
[b]<o:p></o:p></p>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Bevan Slattery<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 9:56 AM<br>
> To: Scott Howard; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> > All up, it's enough to make you cringe (starting with the
lack of a<br>
> > capital I in the subject, it goes downhill from there), but<br>
> there are<br>
> > some good quotes from Geoff Huston...<br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> Sheesh. The thing that makes me cringe a
bit is
people who<br>
> still insist that internet should start with a capital "I".<br>
> As the Wikipedia entry found here<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_capitalization_conventio"
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_capitalization_conventio</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> ns acknowledges<o:p></o:p></p>
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> "Critics of the usage as a proper noun argue that other<br>
> things that are unique yet distributed, such as "the power<br>
> grid", "the telephone network", and even "the
sky", are not<br>
> considered proper nouns, and are thus not capitalized. Since<br>
> at least 2002 it has been theorized that Internet has been<br>
> changing from a proper noun to a generic term.[4] Words for<br>
> new technologies, such as Phonograph in the 19th century, are<br>
> sometimes capitalized at first, later becoming<br>
> uncapitalized.[4] It was suggested as early as 1999 that<br>
> Internet might, like some other commonly used proper nouns,<br>
> lose its capital letter."<br>
><br>
> You will note that the SMH along with the Economist,<br>
> Financial Times and the Guardian also use the non-capitalised
version.<br>
><br>
> IMHO to raise the 'internet' as proper noun fails to<br>
> acknowledge the work and investment by this exact industry to<br>
> make it generic or ubiquitous. For me the same applies to<br>
> [E]ethernet. If you want to use capitals, then go ahead. If<br>
> you don't, don't. But don't pick people up for using lower<br>
> case "i", because you'll be in the the same category as Jen<br>
> from the IT Crowd <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0</a><br>
> or those who doubted Kyle on South Park<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/166192" target="_blank">http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/166192</a>
:)<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
><br>
> [b]<br>
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