[AusNOG] Press: ITNews Story - NetAlert could have performedthe internet filter function

[Chris Pollock]

Agreed, which is why it has to be attacked from a logical point of view.

 
Argue that:
a) the filter cannot and will not work for what it's claimed to be
needed for, 
b) the filter is designed to block access to material that is 100%
legal,
b) the filter isn't designed to or going to stop child porn, and
c) the money to be spent on something that doesn't stop or catch child
porn producers and consumers COULD be better spent funding our great
police force who make an ACTUAL difference by catching ACTUAL criminals
and putting them in JAIL, rather than turning a blind eye to it.
 
Keep it factual, logical and on-topic.  We cannot let him get away with
Affirming the Consequent[1].  There are a million other arguments, like
its potential for subversion for political agendas (eg blocking online
gambling to increase domestic gambling and thus tax revenue, restricting
access to material that is critical of the government[2]), or how it
will slow the networks down, or incur huge manpower costs for ISPs, or
how one even defines what constitutes an Internet connection, but they
can come later - we need to attack the core logical foundations of the
proposal.
 
[1]
http://stephenconroyisanidiot.tumblr.com/post/782995113/affirming-the-co
nsequent
[2] This is already happening without a filter - what will he do with
one? http://stephen-conroy.com/page.php?4 
 
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	From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Peter Adkins
	Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 5:53 PM
	To: Mark Newton
	Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
	Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Press: ITNews Story - NetAlert could have
performedthe internet filter function
	
	
	Unfortunately, it's getting to the point where a rebuttal from a
technical standpoint is simply being dismissed, and any attempts to
express how the policy is a waste of money is being met with: 

	"BUT YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN!"

	I don't think that this situation is one which can be won
through reasoning with Sen. Conroy directly, or even by-proxy.
Unfortunately, it seems that If the filter isn't implemented it will be
picked up by those who either no not know, or do not care, about the
reasons that it was scrapped and be cast as another "failure" of a Labor
government.
	
	
	Can this not be chalked up as Senator Conroy blatantly lying to
the general public by enforcing the need for a flawed filter?

	On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Mark Newton
<newton at internode.com.au> wrote:
	


		On 08/07/2010, at 4:45 PM, Roland Chan wrote:
		
		> Again, the requirement in the DBCDE website is to
prevent inadvertant access.
		
		
		That means the policy being advanced by DBCDE right now
is a
		failure to deliver what Conroy has portrayed as an ALP
election
		promise in 2007.
		
		The current proposal fails outright to deliver on that
new 2010
		requirement as well.  Google has identified over a
trillion URLs
		on the 'net, millions of those would meet the RC
definition.  At
		last update, Conroy's proposal will "prevent" so-called
"accidental"
		access to 355 of them, for the princely sum of $44.5m.
		
		 - mark
		
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