[AusNOG] Press: ITNews Story - NetAlert could have performedthe internet filter function

[Phillip Grasso]

I'd prefer filter millions to go towards development and implementation of
an online safety campaign for school children. Have a program that will
actually either be implemented in schools / or a serious roadshow. Should
cover everything from stranger danger to online bullying and

1). Help Protect Australian children from the real predators
2). Educate children on responsible internet usage, and cyber bullying etc.
3). Create the awareness of other real threats online, e.g. phishing etc.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Chris Pollock <
Chris.Pollock at staff.pipenetworks.com> wrote:

>  Agreed, which is why it has to be attacked from a logical point of view.
>
>
> Argue that:
> a) the filter *cannot and will not* work for what it's claimed to be
> needed for,
> b) the filter is designed to block access to material that is *100% legal*
> ,
> b) the filter *isn't* designed to or going to stop child porn, and
> c) the money to be spent on something that doesn't stop or catch child porn
> producers and consumers COULD be better spent funding our great police force
> who make an ACTUAL difference by catching ACTUAL criminals and *putting
> them in JAIL*, rather than turning a blind eye to it.
>
> Keep it factual, logical and on-topic.  We cannot let him get away with
> Affirming the Consequent[1].  There are a million other arguments, like its
> potential for subversion for political agendas (eg blocking online gambling
> to increase domestic gambling and thus tax revenue, restricting access to
> material that is critical of the government[2]), or how it will slow the
> networks down, or incur huge manpower costs for ISPs, or how one even
> defines what constitutes an Internet connection, but they can come later -
> we need to attack the core logical foundations of the proposal.
>
> [1]
> http://stephenconroyisanidiot.tumblr.com/post/782995113/affirming-the-consequent
> [2] This is already happening without a filter - what will he do with one?
> http://stephen-conroy.com/page.php?4
>
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> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Peter Adkins
> *Sent:* Thursday, 8 July 2010 5:53 PM
> *To:* Mark Newton
>
> *Cc:* ausnog at ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Press: ITNews Story - NetAlert could have
> performedthe internet filter function
>
> Unfortunately, it's getting to the point where a rebuttal from a technical
> standpoint is simply being dismissed, and any attempts to express how the
> policy is a waste of money is being met with:
>
> "BUT YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN!"
>
> I don't think that this situation is one which can be won through reasoning
> with Sen. Conroy directly, or even by-proxy. Unfortunately, it seems that If
> the filter isn't implemented it will be picked up by those who either no not
> know, or do not care, about the reasons that it was scrapped and be cast as
> another "failure" of a Labor government.
>
> Can this not be chalked up as Senator Conroy blatantly lying to the general
> public by enforcing the need for a flawed filter?
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Mark Newton <newton at internode.com.au>wrote:
>
>>
>> On 08/07/2010, at 4:45 PM, Roland Chan wrote:
>>
>> > Again, the requirement in the DBCDE website is to prevent inadvertant
>> access.
>>
>> That means the policy being advanced by DBCDE right now is a
>> failure to deliver what Conroy has portrayed as an ALP election
>> promise in 2007.
>>
>> The current proposal fails outright to deliver on that new 2010
>> requirement as well.  Google has identified over a trillion URLs
>> on the 'net, millions of those would meet the RC definition.  At
>> last update, Conroy's proposal will "prevent" so-called "accidental"
>> access to 355 of them, for the princely sum of $44.5m.
>>
>>  - mark
>>
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