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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=079355807-08072010><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Agreed, which is why it has to be attacked from a logical point of
view. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=079355807-08072010><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Argue that:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=079355807-08072010></SPAN><SPAN
class=079355807-08072010><FONT face=Arial size=2>a) the filter
<STRONG>cannot and will not</STRONG> work for what it's claimed to be
needed for, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=079355807-08072010><FONT face=Arial
size=2>b) the filter is designed to block access to material that is
<STRONG>100% legal</STRONG>,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=079355807-08072010><FONT face=Arial
size=2>b) the filter <STRONG>isn't</STRONG> designed to or going to stop
child porn, and</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=079355807-08072010><FONT face=Arial
size=2>c) the money to be spent on something that doesn't stop or catch
child porn producers and consumers COULD be better spent funding our great
police force who make an ACTUAL difference by catching ACTUAL criminals and
<STRONG>putting them in JAIL</STRONG>, rather than turning a blind eye to
it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=079355807-08072010><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Keep it factual, logical and on-topic. We cannot let him get
away with Affirming the Consequent[1]. There are a million other
arguments, like its potential for subversion for political agendas (eg blocking
online gambling to increase domestic gambling and thus tax revenue, restricting
access to material that is critical of the government[2]), or how it will slow
the networks down, or incur huge manpower costs for ISPs, or how one even
defines what constitutes an Internet connection, but they can come later - we
need to attack the core logical foundations of the proposal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=079355807-08072010><FONT face=Arial
size=2>[1] <A
href="http://stephenconroyisanidiot.tumblr.com/post/782995113/affirming-the-consequent">http://stephenconroyisanidiot.tumblr.com/post/782995113/affirming-the-consequent</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=079355807-08072010><FONT face=Arial
size=2>[2] This is already happening without a filter - what will he do
with one? <A
href="http://stephen-conroy.com/page.php?4">http://stephen-conroy.com/page.php?4</A> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Peter
Adkins<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 8 July 2010 5:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Mark
Newton<BR><B>Cc:</B> ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Press:
ITNews Story - NetAlert could have performedthe internet filter
function<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Unfortunately, it's getting to the point where a rebuttal from a
technical standpoint is simply being dismissed, and any attempts to express
how the policy is a waste of money is being met with:
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<DIV>"BUT YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN!"</DIV>
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<DIV>I don't think that this situation is one which can be won
through reasoning with Sen. Conroy directly, or even
by-proxy. Unfortunately, it seems that If the filter
isn't implemented it will be picked up by those who either no not
know, or do not care, about the reasons that it was scrapped and be cast as
another "failure" of a Labor government.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Can this not be chalked up as Senator Conroy blatantly lying to the
general public by enforcing the need for a flawed filter?</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Mark Newton <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:newton@internode.com.au">newton@internode.com.au</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=im><BR>On 08/07/2010, at 4:45 PM, Roland Chan wrote:<BR><BR>>
Again, the requirement in the DBCDE website is to prevent inadvertant
access.<BR><BR></DIV>That means the policy being advanced by DBCDE right now
is a<BR>failure to deliver what Conroy has portrayed as an ALP
election<BR>promise in 2007.<BR><BR>The current proposal fails outright to
deliver on that new 2010<BR>requirement as well. Google has identified
over a trillion URLs<BR>on the 'net, millions of those would meet the RC
definition. At<BR>last update, Conroy's proposal will "prevent"
so-called "accidental"<BR>access to 355 of them, for the princely sum of
$44.5m.<BR><BR> - mark<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>--<BR>Mark Newton
Email: <A
href="mailto:newton@internode.com.au">newton@internode.com.au</A>
(W)<BR>Network Engineer
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(H)<BR>Internode Pty Ltd
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+61-416-202-223<BR></FONT>
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