[AusNOG] Optus Hack

Tue Sep 27 13:48:29 AEST 2022

Had the same thought, and it's good in principle, until you get that
obnoxious little thought creeping into your head "yeah... but what if MyGov
got hacked too?"

I suspect we'll end up with something akin to that down the track, as the
information already exists across multiple government databases by law
anyway. Might get interesting for non citizens though?

(It probably will wind up all the sovcit types too who will start throwing
around their favourite catchphrases - NWO, world government, UN control,
etc)

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:40 PM jay binks <jaybinks at gmail.com> wrote:

> mmm I was just bouncing something like this around in my head.
>
> In a perfect world, you could utilise MYGov infrastructure...
>
> Carriers could get a UUID that represents a "Know your customer" Data
> validation that occurred between carriers and "MyGov", where the customer
> was MFA prompted (with the MyGov ID service) to say "Confirm you want to
> identify yourself to XXXX".
>
> Then the carrier would only be required to retain that UUID for the MFA
> Verified auth transaction.
> (and be explicitly instructed NOT to retain PII other than an email
> address to send invoices)
>
> Anyways... back to the real world.
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 13:06, Nick Adams <ausnog at narkov.com> wrote:
>
>> See the "Australia Card"[1] for why the Federal government probably
>> couldn't provide central identification/auth services. It is politically
>> very challenging...despite the obvious benefits it would provide.
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Card
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Nick Adams
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022, at 12:39 PM, Michael Kahl wrote:
>>
>> Is there any legal obligation to store sensitive ID information in its
>> original form? Storing a hashed version only would be sufficient to prove
>> the details had been collected and verify any future ID verification
>> requirements without actually retaining the sensitive data.
>>
>> Separately, should the government provide an opt in two factor ID
>> verification service for critical services such as telco, utilities,
>> banking, etc? There are privacy concerns, however if implemented correctly
>> they wouldn't be collecting any further information than what they legally
>> have access to now.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 11:12 AM Nathan Brookfield <
>> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> They’re legally obligated to retain it but why it’s on the API and why
>> it’s not encrypted.
>>
>> Looking at the data some fields are hashed and then repeated in the
>> bloody clear :(
>>
>> On 27 Sep 2022, at 11:02, glenn.satchell at uniq.com.au wrote:
>>
>> My understanding was that the data included the 100 points of ID info.
>> Why are they retaining this? Surely after confirming the 100 points there
>> only needs to be a record "100 points provided"=true and not retain the
>> actual details. This goes back to only keeping the private data you need.
>>
>> regards,
>> Glenn
>>
>> On 2022-09-27 10:49, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:
>> > Personally, I find putting Authentication on my API endpoints to be a
>> > FANTASTIC first step towards API security.  And then not even using
>> > public IP addresses in test environments is a pretty good second
>> > step..  </onlyhalfsarcasticherewhydoesthiskeephappening>
>> > On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 10:46, Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Hi everyone,
>> >> Obviously a big week in telco and cybersecurity.  As part of my work
>> >> I am on the Australian Cyber Security Industry Advisory Committee as
>> >> an industry representative.
>> >> I am keen to look at opening up a dialogue with more and more telco,
>> >> DC and Cloud CISO’s on what they are doing around this issue and
>> >> looking to take a proactive step towards best practice on customer
>> >> data and system security.
>> >> There will be some pretty serious consequences of this hack on the
>> >> industry and importantly we need to make sure we are as best placed
>> >> to help each other continually increase in security posture through
>> >> best practice, but also working with each other as an industry.
>> >> Are people keen on having a online/VC session sometime in the next
>> >> few weeks where like-minded industry participants get together and
>> >> discuss security, retention, encryption, threat detection etc.?  If
>> >> so, just ping me directly and if there is enough interest I will
>> >> send out an invitation to the list for a call.
>> >> Cheers
>> >> [b]
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