[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.
Ender
ender at hostaway.net.au
Tue Aug 2 18:38:49 AEST 2022
I frequently attend other Australian tech conferences where most
sessions are streamed or recorded, but certain talks have opted out -
either due to the presenting speaker or their organisation.
As an example I've seem a few interesting talks by DSD spooks which
obvious were tightly controlled due to subject matter, whereas others
opt-out simply because the presenter just preferred not to have live or
recorded A/V for privacy or personal reasons.
Those conferences and usergroup meetings seem to be able to deal
perfectly well with this, often simply with a pair of checkboxs within
their CFP submissions process.
I think these all-or-nothing sort of objections seem to be somewhat
specific to this particular NOG community, rather than the geographical
region of Australia/APAC as a whole :)
Cheers,
Ender
On 2/8/22 16:31, Nikolas Geyer wrote:
> I’m confused at the insinuation it’s an “all or nothing” approach.
> Other NOGs around the world operate a hybrid model successfully,
> whereby those who cannot have their presentations recorded or slides
> shared for <insert various reasons here> don’t. Yes, some people
> attending remotely only will miss a small handful of sessions, but
> it’s only a small handful.
>
> If other NOGs can make the model work, why can’t AusNOG? I’m genuinely
> interested in understanding in what is so unique in this part of the
> world that makes it unapproachable.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 6:10 PM, Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
>>
>> The guarantee for streams to not be replayed is limited. Many legal
>> teams cannot approach that. It's as simple as that.
>>
>> I'd, personally, rather AusOG get the awesome presentations rather
>> than the redacted ones.. YMMV.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Terry
>> --
>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>>
>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:59 pm, Nathan Brookfield
>>> <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s very common for conferences for slides not to be published or
>>> the stream not to be replayed later but streaming is here and not
>>> going anywhere, if anything with the conference size constantly
>>> growing it would likely end up in MORE revenue as tickets often sell
>>> out and space becomes an issue so even more now than ever it would
>>> seem worthwhile.
>>>
>>> *From:*Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:53 PM
>>> *To:* Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
>>> *Cc:* Shaun Deans <shaun at kadeo.com.au>; AusNOG Mailing List
>>> <ausnog at ausnog.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.
>>>
>>> its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous
>>> presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides".
>>>
>>> i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that
>>> is recorded or streamed...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield
>>> <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m not buying that this is the case because any single person
>>> considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any
>>> time whether Video or Audio.
>>>
>>> NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for
>>> RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other
>>> military industrial complex types talking and it was all
>>> streamed privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the
>>> stream, we’re way past the days of someone saying something in a
>>> room being private and if the other NOG’s can do it then why is
>>> Australia special….
>>>
>>> *From:*AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *Shaun Deans
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM
>>> *To:* Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net>
>>> *Cc:* AusNOG Mailing List <ausnog at ausnog.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.
>>>
>>> All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time.
>>>
>>> All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board
>>> have done.
>>>
>>> It's now up to the community to make choices.
>>>
>>> The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's
>>> advocate from my arm chair.
>>>
>>> I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and
>>> available form that works for everyone.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Shaun Deans
>>> 🧙♂️ kadeo.au
>>> 1800 WKD KDO
>>> 📱🏃♂️
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Heh 😏 .666 of a seat ... cute 😂
>>>
>>> there are of course two other interesting components to this
>>> 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get
>>> to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and
>>> build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you
>>> can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and
>>> you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to
>>> anyone.
>>>
>>> my perspective, ymmv.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans
>>> <shaun at kadeo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>> You do raise a valid point and I hear your view.
>>>
>>> Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's
>>> points true I was just saying - what if.
>>>
>>> > Past performance is not a indicator of future
>>> performance. /s
>>>
>>> > All advice is general in nature /s
>>>
>>> But in the interest of healthy community debate:
>>>
>>> Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room'
>>>
>>> Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the
>>> participants only get 75% of the event.
>>>
>>> - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets.
>>>
>>> For every pro there is a con.
>>>
>>> Innovation does not come without compromise.
>>>
>>> I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the
>>> e-swag that they receive.
>>>
>>> Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat 😈
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Shaun Deans
>>> 🧙♂️ kadeo.au
>>> 1800 WKD KDO
>>> 📱🏃♂️
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White,
>>> <admin at uberskilled.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)?
>>>
>>> - Whitey
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson
>>> <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Shaun,
>>>
>>> are you aware that not all presentations can be
>>> streamed? Many presenters provide content that
>>> is "in room only" and even their slides can't be
>>> shared. How does that factor into you math?
>>>
>>> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there
>>> have been (and will be) many presentations you
>>> won't see on youtube.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans
>>> <shaun at kadeo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did.
>>>
>>> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' /- Swag /
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> 1. Income
>>>
>>> 1. August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees
>>> <https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/attendees>at
>>> $600 per ticket (Average)
>>> <https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2022/registration>
>>>
>>> 2. Total $180K
>>> 3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' → $90K
>>>
>>> 2. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ?
>>>
>>> 1. I'm just going to say everyone pays
>>> equal but they probably don't
>>> 2. This will bias for the fact that it
>>> could be any tiering and we don't
>>> want to single out community members
>>> who may be sponsors
>>> 3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K
>>>
>>> 1. nice round number
>>> 2. and its 'nearly half'
>>>
>>> 3. Streaming to to masses!
>>>
>>> 1. 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300
>>> 2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300
>>> 3. That's only *50 tickets and it may
>>> break even*
>>>
>>> 1. 3 people said they'd be
>>> interested already.
>>>
>>> 4. This doesn't include:
>>>
>>> 1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue
>>> hire, insurance, etc etc
>>> 2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming
>>> Costs🙄
>>>
>>> 5. /Past performance is not a indicator of
>>> future performance. /s/
>>> 6. /All advice is general in nature /s/
>>>
>>> 🎤💁♂️
>>>
>>> SD.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun
>>> Deans <shaun at kadeo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> > How about NOG focus on meaningful
>>> things like streaming the event for
>>> those who can’t attend
>>>
>>> I for one would pay up to 50% of the
>>> in-person price for a live stream. I
>>> have done just this for TedX.
>>>
>>> Would love to see the math on the income
>>> from 'the sponsor' and stack that
>>> against the income from copious live
>>> streams (minus in-person overheads).
>>>
>>> For an NOG we seem to be very offline 🤷♀️
>>>
>>> <S>It not like we couldn't find some
>>> spare bandwidth for a live stream.</s>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Shaun Deans
>>>
>>> 🧙♂️kadeo.au <http://kadeo.au/>
>>>
>>> 1800 WKD KDO
>>>
>>> 📱🏃♂️
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl
>>> Kloppenborg, <k at rl.ag> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I’d
>>> like you to respect the financial
>>> commitment I’ve made to gathering as
>>> much merch from my industry peers as
>>> I’d like.
>>>
>>> This has historically always taken
>>> place and given the small community
>>> nature of NOG, something many of us
>>> look forward to as part of the
>>> experience, we like swapping our
>>> merch with our friends. It saves
>>> postage.
>>>
>>> I would say this not only misses the
>>> mark but is a continued slap of the
>>> face to all those that pay good
>>> money to attend the event in hopes
>>> to meet with their industry peers
>>> but more importantly /friends./
>>>
>>> //
>>>
>>> How about NOG focus on meaningful
>>> things like streaming the event for
>>> those who can’t attend, or providing
>>> a continued framework to making the
>>> event a safer place for all?
>>>
>>> Honestly.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Karl Kloppenborg, */(BCompSc,
>>> CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE,
>>> CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004)/
>>>
>>> Managing Director, Invention Labs.
>>>
>>> *From: *AusNOG
>>> <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> on
>>> behalf of david at hughes.id
>>> <david at hughes.id>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at
>>> 2:21 pm
>>> *To: *AusNOG Mailing List
>>> <ausnog at ausnog.net>
>>> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional
>>> material at AusNOG Events.
>>>
>>> Afternoon all,
>>>
>>> We've been contacted by one of the
>>> sponsors of our conference in April
>>> about companies who aren't sponsors
>>> handing out promotional material, in
>>> particular branded t-shirts etc.
>>> While everyone likes getting a bag
>>> full of free merch, we ask that
>>> attendees respect the financial
>>> commitment that our sponsors make
>>> towards funding the conference. They
>>> cover almost half the cost and in
>>> return they get the right to promote
>>> themselves to all of you who attend.
>>>
>>> If you are not a sponsor please do
>>> not distribute swag to delegates at
>>> the conference.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> David, on behalf of the Board
>>> ...
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