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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I frequently attend other Australian
tech conferences where most sessions are streamed or recorded, but
certain talks have opted out - either due to the presenting
speaker or their organisation. <br>
<br>
As an example I've seem a few interesting talks by DSD spooks
which obvious were tightly controlled due to subject matter,
whereas others opt-out simply because the presenter just preferred
not to have live or recorded A/V for privacy or personal reasons.<br>
<br>
Those conferences and usergroup meetings seem to be able to deal
perfectly well with this, often simply with a pair of checkboxs
within their CFP submissions process.<br>
<br>
I think these all-or-nothing sort of objections seem to be
somewhat specific to this particular NOG community, rather than
the geographical region of Australia/APAC as a whole :)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Ender<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2/8/22 16:31, Nikolas Geyer wrote:<br>
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I’m confused at the insinuation it’s an “all or nothing” approach.
Other NOGs around the world operate a hybrid model successfully,
whereby those who cannot have their presentations recorded or
slides shared for <insert various reasons here> don’t. Yes,
some people attending remotely only will miss a small handful of
sessions, but it’s only a small handful.
<div><br>
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<div>If other NOGs can make the model work, why can’t AusNOG? I’m
genuinely interested in understanding in what is so unique in
this part of the world that makes it unapproachable. </div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Aug 2, 2022, at 6:10 PM, Terry
Manderson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terry@terrym.net"><terry@terrym.net></a> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> The guarantee for streams to not be replayed
is limited. Many legal teams cannot approach that. It's as
simple as that.
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<div>I'd, personally, rather AusOG get the awesome
presentations rather than the redacted ones.. YMMV.<br>
<div><br>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Terry</div>
<div>--</div>
<div>Mobile device, don't expect grammar.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:59 pm,
Nathan Brookfield
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au"><Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au></a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It’s very
common for conferences for slides not to be
published or the stream not to be replayed
later but streaming is here and not going
anywhere, if anything with the conference size
constantly growing it would likely end up in
MORE revenue as tickets often sell out and
space becomes an issue so even more now than
ever it would seem worthwhile.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Terry Manderson
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terry@terrym.net"><terry@terrym.net></a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:53
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nathan Brookfield
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au"><Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Shaun Deans
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au"><shaun@kadeo.com.au></a>; AusNOG Mailing
List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"><ausnog@ausnog.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Promotional
material at AusNOG Events.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">its not that Australia is
special, but (from experience) previous
presenters have said explicitly "don't stream,
don't share slides".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">i.e In $dayjob I cannot
show or say things regarding some stuff that
is recorded or streamed...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Terry<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mobile device, don't
expect grammar.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 2 Aug
2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield <<a
href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m
not buying that this is the case because
any single person considering 300 people
have laptops out could record this at
any time whether Video or Audio.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">NZNOG
stream, NANOG stream, I went to a
conference recently for RPAS with
companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman
and other military industrial complex
types talking and it was all streamed
privately with an NDA agreed too when
opening the stream, we’re way past the
days of someone saying something in a
room being private and if the other
NOG’s can do it then why is Australia
special….</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG <<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shaun Deans<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 August 2022
5:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Terry Manderson <<a
href="mailto:terry@terrym.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">terry@terrym.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AusNOG Mailing List <<a
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG]
Promotional material at AusNOG Events.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">All valid points and
it's hard to please humans 100% of the
time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">All we can do is
provide options and boundaries which
the board have done.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It's now up to
the community to make choices.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The board to a
great job and it's easy for me to
play devil's advocate from my arm
chair.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to
attending an AusNOG in any inclusive
and available form that works for
everyone.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<br>
<br>
Shaun Deans<br>
<span
style="font-family:"Segoe
UI Emoji",sans-serif">🧙</span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe
UI Emoji",sans-serif">♂</span>️
kadeo.au<br>
1800 WKD KDO<br>
<span
style="font-family:"Segoe
UI Emoji",sans-serif">📱🏃</span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe
UI Emoji",sans-serif">♂</span>️<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 2 Aug 2022,
17:34 Terry Manderson, <<a
href="mailto:terry@terrym.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">terry@terrym.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Heh <span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif">😏</span>
.666 of a seat ... cute
<span style="font-family:"Segoe
UI Emoji",sans-serif">😂</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">there are of
course two other interesting
components to this 1. "its the
network (of people) behind the
network.. eg get to know people,
meet people, be in person (if you
can) and build trust by eating
with, drinking with, those that
you can help or they can help
you.... 2. if it is streamed and
you are remote, the "ausnog steam
blackout" isn't helpful to anyone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">my
perspective, ymmv. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Terry<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mobile
device, don't expect grammar.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On
2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun
Deans <<a
href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shaun@kadeo.com.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Terry<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">You
do raise a valid point
and I hear your view.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Numbers
and statistics can be
viewed to make anyone's
points true I was just
saying - what if.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
Past performance is not
a indicator of future
performance. /s<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
All advice is general in
nature /s<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">But
in the interest of
healthy community
debate:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let's
say 1/4 of the talks are
only 'in the room' <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore
the above is discounted
by 25% cause the
participants only get
75% of the event.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-
15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) =
66.666 Tickets.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">For
every pro there is a
con. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Innovation
does not come without
compromise.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm
sure those extra 16
seats will sell fast
with the e-swag that
they receive.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Don't
know how I'm going to
fill that .666 of a seat
<span
style="font-family:"Segoe
UI
Emoji",sans-serif">
😈</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<br>
<br>
Shaun Deans<br>
<span
style="font-family:"Segoe
UI
Emoji",sans-serif">🧙</span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">♂</span>️
kadeo.au<br>
1800 WKD KDO<br>
<span
style="font-family:"Segoe
UI
Emoji",sans-serif">📱🏃</span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">♂</span>️<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On
Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09
Andrew White, <<a
href="mailto:admin@uberskilled.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">admin@uberskilled.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
thought the key
benefit was Sactioned
Swag (tm)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-
Whitey<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On
Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at
17:04, Terry
Manderson <<a
href="mailto:terry@terrym.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">terry@terrym.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Hi
Shaun,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">are
you aware that
not all
presentations
can be
streamed? Many
presenters
provide
content that
is "in room
only" and even
their slides
can't be
shared. How
does that
factor into
you math? <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as
there have
been (and will
be) many
presentations
you won't see
on youtube.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Terry<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Mobile
device, don't
expect
grammar.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans <<a
href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shaun@kadeo.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">It
got the better
of me and I'm
glad it did.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">TLDR:
50x Streams =
'the sponsor'
<i>- Swag </i><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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start="1">
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Income <o:p></o:p></li>
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start="1">
<ol type="1"
start="1">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
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August 2022 =
~ <a
href="https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/attendees"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
300 Attendees </a>at
$600 <a
href="https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2022/registration"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
per ticket
(Average)</a> <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
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level2 lfo1">
Total $180K<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
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Sponsors =
'Nearly Half'
→ $90K<o:p></o:p></li>
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</ol>
<ol type="1"
start="2">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
Who Done It
And What Did
They Offer ?<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol type="1"
start="2">
<ol type="1"
start="1">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo1">
I'm just going
to say
everyone pays
equal but they
probably don't<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo1">
This will bias
for the fact
that it could
be any tiering
and we don't
want to single
out community
members who
may be
sponsors<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo1">
So the
'sponsor
income' could
be 15K <o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol type="1"
start="2">
<ol type="1"
start="3">
<ol type="1"
start="1">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level3 lfo1">
nice round
number<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level3
lfo1">
and its
'nearly half'<o:p></o:p></li>
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</ol>
</ol>
<ol type="1"
start="3">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
Streaming to
to masses!<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol type="1"
start="3">
<ol type="1"
start="1">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo1">
50% Cost for
Streaming
Ticket = $300<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo1">
Total Streams
= $15,000 /
$300<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo1">
That's only <b>50
tickets and it
may break even</b><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol type="1"
start="3">
<ol type="1"
start="3">
<ol type="1"
start="1">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level3
lfo1">
3 people said
they'd be
interested
already.<o:p></o:p></li>
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</ol>
</ol>
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start="4">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
This doesn't
include:<o:p></o:p></li>
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<ol type="1"
start="4">
<ol type="1"
start="1">
<li
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo1">
Savings:
Onsite Costs
such as venue
hire,
insurance, etc
etc<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level2
lfo1">
Expenses:
Bandwidth and
Streaming
Costs<img
style="width:.1603in;height:.1603in"
id="_x0000_i1032" src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F644.png" alt="🙄"
data-unique-identifier="" moz-do-not-send="true" width="15" height="15"
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start="5">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
<i>Past
performance is
not a
indicator of
future
performance.
/s</i><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1">
<i>All advice
is general in
nature /s</i><o:p></o:p></li>
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style="width:.1603in;height:.1603in"
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alt="💁♂️"
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<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Tue, Aug 02,
2022 at
15:19:29,
Shaun Deans
<<a
href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shaun@kadeo.com.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">> How
about NOG
focus on
meaningful
things like
streaming the
event for
those who
can’t attend<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">I
for one would
pay up to 50%
of the
in-person
price for a
live stream. I
have done just
this for TedX.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Would
love to see
the math on
the income
from 'the
sponsor' and
stack that
against the
income from
copious live
streams (minus
in-person
overheads).<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">For
an NOG we seem
to be very
offline <img
style="width:.1603in;height:.1603in" id="_x0000_i1029"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F937-200D-2640-FE0F.png"
alt="🤷♀️"
data-unique-identifier=""
moz-do-not-send="true" width="15" height="15" border="0"><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><S>It
not like we
couldn't find
some spare
bandwidth for
a live
stream.</s><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Shaun
Deans<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><img
style="width:.1603in;height:.1603in" id="_x0000_i1028"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F9D9-200D-2642-FE0F.png"
alt="🧙♂️"
data-unique-identifier=""
moz-do-not-send="true" width="15" height="15" border="0"><a
href="http://kadeo.au/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kadeo.au</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">1800
WKD KDO<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><img
style="width:.1603in;height:.1603in" id="_x0000_i1027"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F4F1.png"
alt="📱"
data-unique-identifier=""
moz-do-not-send="true" width="15" height="15" border="0"><img
style="width:.1603in;height:.1603in"
id="_x0000_i1026"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F3C3-200D-2642-FE0F.png"
alt="🏃♂️"
data-unique-identifier=""
moz-do-not-send="true" width="15" height="15" border="0"><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Tue, 2 Aug
2022, 14:43
Karl
Kloppenborg,
<<a
href="mailto:k@rl.ag"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">k@rl.ag</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi David,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">At 500-600
dollars a
ticket, I’d
like you to
respect the
financial
commitment
I’ve made to
gathering as
much merch
from my
industry peers
as I’d like.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This has
historically
always taken
place and
given the
small
community
nature of NOG,
something many
of us look
forward to as
part of the
experience, we
like swapping
our merch with
our friends.
It saves
postage.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would say
this not only
misses the
mark but is a
continued slap
of the face to
all those that
pay good money
to attend the
event in hopes
to meet with
their industry
peers but more
importantly <i>friends.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">How about NOG
focus on
meaningful
things like
streaming the
event for
those who
can’t attend,
or providing a
continued
framework to
making the
event a safer
place for all?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Honestly.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Kind
Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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style="font-family:-webkit-standard">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Karl
Kloppenborg,
</span></b><i><span
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD],
LFCE, CompTIA
Linux+
XK0-004)</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Managing
Director,
Invention
Labs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>>
on behalf of
<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">david@hughes.id</a>
<<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">david@hughes.id</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday,
2 August 2022
at 2:21 pm<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>[AusNOG]
Promotional
material at
AusNOG Events.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Afternoon
all,<br>
<br>
We've been
contacted by
one of the
sponsors of
our conference
in April about
companies who
aren't
sponsors
handing out
promotional
material, in
particular
branded
t-shirts etc.
While everyone
likes getting
a bag full of
free merch, we
ask that
attendees
respect the
financial
commitment
that our
sponsors make
towards
funding the
conference.
They cover
almost half
the cost and
in return they
get the right
to promote
themselves to
all of you who
attend.<br>
<br>
If you are not
a sponsor
please do not
distribute
swag to
delegates at
the
conference.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
David, on
behalf of the
Board<br>
...<br>
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